Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[winsock]

When you're engaging in any group-based activity in life there is always a minimum level of competency/contribution required.

What you want is unreasonable to expect, so your argument is pointless.

As with any group-based activity in life, there is no guarantee that people for that group-based activity are going to have that minimum level of competency/contribution you are referring to; as such, it is unreasonable to expect a pug to possess this level of competence 100% of the time. If you cannot accept this truth of pugging, you have the option of not pugging.

[akaneakki]

If you got the clear then time wasn't wasted.

If I can do 6 mins v1s runs vs 10 min ones, I lose 4 min right? I can do 5 runs instead 3. Farming- get stuff done soon as possible and get back in soon as possible. I can wipe to zurvan for 45 mins and get 1 kill, that's another waste of time. I'm pretty sure being killed by the boss mulitply times or kill the boss every 2-3 runs, hell even taking 5 min longer per fight is a waste of time.
You know, it's like what the person said ''its just a game not a job'' well figure it out, I work and I do other things EVERYDAY outside the game, I'm productive irl, so when I play the game I want to be productive too, because it's only a small time of my day that I can play. Trying doesn't make it a job, being better at the game doesnt make it a job, playing as a team member isnt job. What makes it a job is that I have to strive 3 times harder for the sake of the person whos unwilling to learn and try to get better

[Raim]

Why are people acting like basic competence and effort are akin to a job? Is your job the only time in life where you decide to do things correctly? Thats pretty grim if so. As people have said before, this game isn't hard at all outside of savage/EX content. That doesn't mean you should waste everyone's time by putting in no effort in a group setting.

[KeyboardFacerollname]

Why are people acting like basic competence and effort are akin to a job? Is your job the only time in life where you decide to do things correctly? Thats pretty grim if so. As people have said before, this game isn't hard at all outside of savage/EX content. That doesn't mean you should waste everyone's time by putting in no effort in a group setting.

You don't pay my bills, bro. I'll live how I like. Life is just a game.

[winsock]

Why are people acting like basic competence and effort are akin to a job? Is your job the only time in life where you decide to do things correctly? Thats pretty grim if so. As people have said before, this game isn't hard at all outside of savage/EX content. That doesn't mean you should waste everyone's time by putting in no effort in a group setting.

How do you know if someone isn't trying? Unless they tell you, you have no way of knowing.

Except for Sally in accounting. Everyone know about her, how does she keep her job?!?!?

[Avatre]

How do you know if someone isn't trying?

They're on the forums while at wor...I mean they seem bored all the time? >.>

*Is not currently surfing the forums from work, and procrastinating doing things at all...don't know what you're talking about*

[akaneakki]

How do you know if someone isn't trying? Unless they tell you, you have no way of knowing.

Except for Sally in accounting. Everyone know about her, how does she keep her job?!?!?

You see it everywhere, in game, reddit and on the forums. I can quote of all those players all day long if you truely want me to.

[Raikki]

As with any group-based activity in life, there is no guarantee that people for that group-based activity are going to have that minimum level of competency/contribution you are referring to; as such, it is unreasonable to expect a pug to possess this level of competence 100% of the time. If you cannot accept this truth of pugging, you have the option of not pugging.

Are you joking? It is perfectly reasonable to expect people to behave as functioning and contributing members of a team. It's rather silly to say "some people will inevitably fail to meet what's expected of them, so you can't have any expectations of people anymore." You're not just lowering the bar, you're eliminating it. You are part of the problem.

[winsock]

They're on the forums while at wor...I mean they seem bored all the time? >.>

*Is not currently surfing the forums from work, and procrastinating doing things at all...don't know what you're talking about*

Dang it, Sally! Get back to work lol

[LastFireAce]

Sigh nothing we can do, think it like this
No matter how much the world tray to stop people from smoking they still smoke... Same go for bad player no matter how much you trained them if they don't wanna get good they be bad anyway.