Discrimination of certain jobs - your opinion

[Miste]

It's not farfetched, since there are not many raiders left, like Kaiva mentioned as well - plus, a lot of people seemed to jump straight up to o4s (which means there are usually a lot of o4s groups and less of v1, v2 and v3). Sometimes it's even hard to fill a group on a saturday night. If the active population would be at normal levels, then of course the number would be lower. But yes, I can definitely say out of 10 groups there are 6-7 with role restrictions; which means 60%-70%.
The problem exists, nevertheless.

Seems odd that Primal is so different from your data center....that's why I find it so farfetched because my experience on Primal is so opposite I would say in my experience 10% of PFs lock jobs on Primal...compared to your 80% of groups lock out SAMs. 80% is a high percentage.

Primal has PFs for farming for like every turn 1-4 every night and most people aren't blocking jobs (minus stacking).

I have been joining groups on and off since the unlock and been watching the PF. Tons of parties during prime time accepting any jobs usually. I've joined like 25-30 groups since the unlock and I see SAMs everywhere. Sometimes the group even ends up with two SAMs. So the idea that 80% of groups are blocking SAM on Chaos DC seems really weird. Although now you say 60-70%? In your OP you said 80%?

I mean its too bad moving data centers wasn't free because you could just move over to Primal and get all your farming done on SAM really easily.

[Bobs]

That's your choice. snip.

That is selfish, honestly. This is a team game, I am a team player.

And yes I could play rdm in the static if I wanted. But that would force someone to play sch instead nin or drg. Or some other non optimal setup. So then the whole team would hurt for it.

If you are going to be stubborn about your choice that is your prerogative. Just don't be SURPRISED that others are being stubborn about their choices.

I'm telling you that adaptability is part of being a team. 25+ years of mmo experience. I've herd your story hundreds of times.
Adapt or die dude.

[silverlunarfox]

I'm telling you that adaptability is part of being a team. 25+ years of mmo experience. I've herd your story hundreds of times.
Adapt or die dude.

Or play the game (emphasis on this being a game and a form of entertainment) and have FUN playing what you want to play.....

Take your "non optimal setup" and leave it in the trash. I've seen plenty of those "non optimal setups" do better than the "meta". It takes skill and chemistry, not the class you play to decide how well you and your team will be able to perform.

Team player with 25+ years experience my foot.

[Bobs]

Or play the game (emphasis on this being a game and a form of entertainment) and have FUN

Team player with 25+ years experience my foot.

Sure casual is fun. This game is very, very forgiving. I'm playing this game because I don't feel like doing ten hour world boss raids being contested by opposing factions anymore (yes that's a real thing in other games). If you want to low man a world boss in another mmo or take down high level raid you need to adapt to the challenge. Having a non-adaptive mindset is not going to help the person in the long run. I'm I sounding harsh. Ya, maybe a little.

Like I said before if you are not willing to adapt don't expect others to adapt to you.

Side note: I included tabletop games. I suppose if you want to only include digital, then it is only 21 years of experience.

[silverlunarfox]

Sure casual is fun. This game is very, very forgiving. I'm playing this game because I don't feel like doing ten hour world boss raids being contested by opposing factions anymore (yes that's a real thing in other games). If you want to low man a world boss in another mmo or take down high level raid you need to adapt to the challenge. Having a non-adaptive mindset is not going to help the person in the long run. I'm I sounding harsh. Ya, maybe a little.

Like I said before if you are not willing to adapt don't expect others to adapt to you.

Side note: I included tabletop games. I suppose if you want to only include digital, then it is only 21 years of experience.

The elitism grows....

You still ignore the fact skill plays more of a factor as well as team chemistry.

This applies to tabletop, board, video, card games that require cooperation. Imagine that.
Cheers!

(30 years experience of being awesome if you MUST put years into a posting)

[Raikki]

The elitism grows....

You still ignore the fact skill plays more of a factor as well as team chemistry.

Players are not locked to a single job. They can freely choose which job they're going to play. If I've been playing job X but I'd be more useful on job Y, I can switch to job Y. The "skill" and "chemistry" are unchanged, but I've increased my usefulness to the team.

[Lord_Zlatan]

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Very true. I think that this is really a major issue, but is mitigated with people putting together a static group or at least giving people a shot and seeing what they are capable of.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Take your "non optimal setup" and leave it in the trash. I've seen plenty of those "non optimal setups" do better than the "meta". It takes skill and chemistry, not the class you play to decide how well you and your team will be able to perform.

Right but people have the right to choose which setup they want to use for specific content. Blacklisting someone bc they want to play as a SAM in YOUR group is bogus, but hey. It another persons group. Form a group yourself if you want to buck the trends or burger king it up.

In 2.0 Paladin was sh*t on by everyone because WAR did more damage. I did not like the play style of warrior. I leveled up warrior to join other groups, but also made my own with PLD. Simple.

This game is awesome in the fact that with a single click of a button my class changes... it is a thing.

[Bobs]

The elitism grows....
Cheers!

It's not about elitism. The guy ASKED for opinions. Should I walk on eggshells?

I'm sure I don't need to give you an example but for the sake of trying to help the person. Here is an example:
In ArchAge there is a world boss (kraken). It was meant to be killed with like 25-50 people. You need ships, multiple healers, etc, etc. It can be done by as little as 4 people IF you have the right set up. It won't matter how skilled the person is, they can be the very best at X job. If they don't adapt to the challenge and change jobs to the needed set up they will just die, taking out the party with them, it is just what will happen, no question.

True, FF14 does not have anything like that. If that person is trying to be the %100 best at something (Sam) he/she should expect that others want to be %100 best at what they want. That is what the person said they want. I'm saying sometimes you need to adapt.

[dotsforlife]

Personally I don't see any issue with players seemingly excluding certain jobs because they're wanting to run the obvious best party setup. That's a problem that devs created and need to resolve, not the players. However, usually randoms on PF running these types of parties typically aren't anywhere near the dps worth forsaking a class for synergy. A clear is a clear. Doesn't matter how you get it, but don't get upset with a group for wanting to use the more efficient party comps. It's logical to want to use a better system even if the group isn't good enough to make use of it...

I prefer to just run with friends and avoid the drama of the masses.