While the Glamour Revision is welcomed - I feel like its missing the mark

[Brynne]

If these points are true, I have some serious issues with the system.

1. Ensembles don't use gear from your bags, so you only get 200 unretreavable items + Armoire to make ensembles with. The excited people who fill up their Commode on day 1 will not be able to make ensembles with future glamour gear without destroying some of their older collection already in the Commode.

2. You cannot use a piece of gear both in ensembles and as normal glamour at the same time, unless it's an Armoire item. For example, if you put the maid outfit in the Commode, then you can't glamour your tank gear to maid while your Paladin is wearing the AF armor ensemble.

3. The limit of 10 ensembles puts a permanent limit on how you can mix and match the 200 items put in the Commode. Once you have made 10 outfits (some of which may be partial), then the rest of the items are unusable as glamour. Assuming 6 items per outfit and a full Commode, you are restricted from using 140 glamour items you own across all your jobs and classes at any given moment.

For these issues to not become a reality we should absolutely get an option to convert Commode items back to regular gear. Otherwise I only see myself using it for gear I can easily obtain again and job specific gear (because you want those to be glamoured "on top" of your role glamour).

4. No mention of squadrons so one assumes that they are using the old glamour system still. If all of this is true, you won't be able to use Commode items to glamour your squadron so any item you put in the Commode is forever unusable for your squadron.

I hope there is a way to remove items from the Commode. There are very few things I'd use it for otherwise.

[Niraye]

using WOW as something to smack SE up the head with is NOT fair because this game hasn't been out as long as WOW and SE doesn't know how to run mmo's that well, just doing comparisons between a game that knows what its doing to a game that doesn't is pure bs and downright wrong. i'm sick of seeing this all the time "well if wow can do it why cant this game" this statement is stupid and needs to stop if you dont understand coding and that games get better at doing stuff / wow has more money and more then likely better servers stop saying it. goto wow if its that much better. other then that leave wow out of this and all other discussions, it is not a fair comparison no matter what way you look at it. so stop it. other then that at least SE is trying now instead of prettying ourselves up maybe they can give us ACTUAL content to do hmm?

[Paladinleeds]

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Actually, it is a valid comparison. WoW, GW2, etc, have the stuff out now. Consumers will see that WoW has it, FFXIV does not, and that's all that'll matter to them. And secondly, you say Square Enix don't know how to run an MMO? FFXI came out 2 years before WoW did (and was very successful from what I can tell, just it hasn't aged well to the modern gamer), so I'd say Square Enix have got plenty experience of running an MMO.

Did a search for release dates.

[Fawkes]

4. No mention of squadrons so one assumes that they are using the old glamour system still. If all of this is true, you won't be able to use Commode items to glamour your squadron so any item you put in the Commode is forever unusable for your squadron.

I hope there is a way to remove items from the Commode. There are very few things I'd use it for otherwise.

The way squadron glamours work seems like it might be the beta test for ensembles. Our gear normally has glamour data written directly on to it, but squadron members don't actually have gear, so their outfit is saved in a different way. It probably wouldn't be too complicated for SE to add commode functionality, and since you only do squadron stuff in the barracks there's probably not a "server stability" cop out excuse for why they couldn't.

I would be more concerned about retainers, since they do use the same glamour system we do. Are we also going to get ensemble slots for retainers, or will you have to burn one of yours if you want a retainer to use something from the commode, or will they just not be able to use them?

[Skivvy]

i'm sick of seeing this all the time "well if wow can do it why cant this game" this statement is stupid and needs to stop if you dont understand coding and that games get better at doing stuff

OK, lets stick with SE's MMOs then. I would say XI has a far better glamour system in place than XIV. Keep in mind that this is something new that was released within the last few years - so they took the time and effort to recode things for a game that was at least 12+ years old at that time.

In XI, you can save 100 outfits, you can mix and match gear from various jobs into a single outfit, it doesn't require any sort of glamour crystal, and it's not some convoluted mess. You are still required to have the gear in your inventory, but the game does give you an insane amount of storage (for free).

Perhaps SE should have taken inspiration from their own game and improved upon it for release in XIV. I am glad they are finally starting to bring some glamour relief, but it still seems to be far more complicated than it should be, and not quite as useful.

[Syrehn]

The problem is, is that they didn't do anything new here. They essentially just gave us a "bag" or "retainer" in our inn room vs. a real glamour log. I can honestly say I'm not over the moon about this upcoming change.

At the end of the day, we're still going to run into glamour inventory issues in the long run because bag space is still bag space no matter how you spin it; and we're limited to 200. :/

On one hand... I'm glad they're finally addressing the glamour inventory issue (for me it will free up 1 retainer)... on the other... it's like they didn't hear what we were asking for at all. Le siiiiigh.

Honestly, I would equate this more to void storage in WOW than a true glamour system. Void storage also gave a space to store gear that could be used for glamour and other purposes but was incredibly limited. Eventually Blizzard got their poop in a group and came out with real transmog system and it's AMAZING.

Please SE, for the love of all that's glamour, we want a TRUE glamour log. We want to go back into old content and collect ALL the sets and be able to use them at any point for glamour. We don't want to be restricted to x amount of slots.

[Krokov]

In XI, you can

Indeed the way Final Fantasy XI does it is pretty so simple. All it is just a carbon copy if you will of gear that's imprinted onto your current gear. Also no restrictions other then needing to be the same gear i.e. a club weapon can only be copied onto another of the same type. The system being basic like that is better then XIV and WoW.

[geekgirl101]

I get the feeling SE is gonna add another service to glamours to unlock an addition 10 glamour sets for money. I dunno why SE are being so tight-fisted with resources in this game, it's just so frustrating because it's such a fun game where SE have gotten some aspects right above other MMOs and yet....arrrrrgh!!!!

[SokiYagami]

I get the feeling SE is gonna add another service to glamours to unlock an addition 10 glamour sets for money. I dunno why SE are being so tight-fisted with resources in this game, it's just so frustrating because it's such a fun game where SE have gotten some aspects right above other MMOs and yet....arrrrrgh!!!!

Lol I haven't thought of this. The possibility of it happening is so real it's so sad yet funny at the same time... TAT

[Vstarstruck]

Love seeing all these people who know how Square Enix's server structure and code all works.. That's besides the point. It doesn't help whenpeople bark on wanting an new glamour system asap either. We get one with areas for improvement and it's whine whine whine. You either get what we have now or wait even LONGER for it.

Is this a good starting point. Yes.
Could it be vastly improved. Yes.

No it is not a good starting point, that is the problem. It is going to be high resource insensitive to keep it up to date. FFXIV, from what I feel and see, always give us the bare minimum and hope that is enough to please people.

This is the same reason FFXIV 1.0 failed
this is why FFXIV's inventory management fails.

They release stuff without regard with the future, gets harder to update then it was to implement so they do not do it. This is why people need to jump on their backs now, tell them not to use this system at all and give us a real glam log system.

With what is said, we can't convert back so what happens when it fills and we need more room to glam to the point we run out of inventory to actually play the game?

Also saying WoW had problems at the start with a glam system so it is ok for FF to have problems is a poor argument. Since FF came out later with this stuff, they could had a better foundation from the git go from wow's system to draw inspiration from. It is like saying a company that sells cars based on inline four-cylinder engine, producing 20 hp (15 kW), for a top speed of 40–45 mph is ok to compete now in the modern day because that is how ford started out as. (Also add on FFXI's system is better then this, as others pointed out)

THEN consider they could of started out something like wow's checklist but with select gear, say AF, sets stored by salvager mog station gear, etc, that would be a good start, it is ready to expand, ready to add in more gear to the checklist like system as they find ways for the server to handle the programing. This proposed system however seems is just going to hit bigger and bigger walls, doom to failure from the start, type of thing. They will keep throwing us the excuse "servers can't handle it" because they built a resource hog system that is inefficient, much like the coding in general of this game.

I get the feeling SE is gonna add another service to glamours to unlock an addition 10 glamour sets for money. I dunno why SE are being so tight-fisted with resources in this game, it's just so frustrating because it's such a fun game where SE have gotten some aspects right above other MMOs and yet....arrrrrgh!!!!

exactly, I think the cause is SE, as in the company, is not giving FFXIV development enough money (budget).