Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[StarRosie]

Ok! So! Here's a fun duty finder story! So I rolled into Leveling Roulette, thinking "Ok yeah, it'll be a quick run through one of the lower dungeons and stuff, no biggie!" rolled Castrum Abania! Yay...level 69 dungeon! Anyways! So yeah, seemed ok until the SCH admitted to a mild...mistake we'll call it. Apparently their inventory gets so full they sometimes swap full gear sets out when tinkering with glamours and stuff to make room for other bits and bobbles. So they did this for their healer set and they forgot about it apparently...and ended up in Castrum Abania wearing full augmented Shire gear with some proto ultima stuff and a lvl69 book instead of their usual gear...!

So the run went...much better then expected despite this hindrance, the RDM was a SUPER BRO and was helping the SCH out as best they could and I must say, I was impressed the two were able to keep this up while also maintaining good DPS it seemed. SCH was playing the sulk emote a bunch though, kinda beating themselves up for the mistake. Things only went south at the final boss where we suffered the one and only wipe of the run. But we came back and beat that ugly sci-fi experiment to a pulp and won glory!

And now...for the plot twist!

THE SCHOLAR WAS ME!

Oh god that shouldn't have gone as well as it did and I really feel bad for making such a screw up! I was tinkering glams, put my main healer gear in my retainer and went to bed going all "Oh, I'll fix it tomorrow and go back to healing, weeee." yeah, I didn't fix it. I'm not gonna say "Oh I'm so cool to be able to heal a level 69 dungeon in level 60 gear." No, I was dumb and forgot a thing...should have checked gear but I didn't. Lesson learned. But god this was a fun run cause of the screw up. But I don't wanna do it again...

[Ilyrian]

Basically, don't pre-pull regen because you don't yet know if the tank can handle it. Do pre-pull regen if the tank can handle it.

That's really bad advice.
As others have said unless the mobs are neatly bunched up for you you're going to be running back to the healer - it's not about the tank being good enough to 'handle it' - it just makes the healer look like they lack a basic knowledge of game mechanics.
No, the world is not going to end because the healer has weird quirks in a 4 man dungeon; but it is just a bad habit to get into and shouldn't be encouraged.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Running a PF in amdapor castle, the paladin there's was pulling the mobs by passing through them and don't even attack, pull large pack and then complain about a overhate from the SMN, or my MCH or even the AST... Trying to give advice, he don't give a single fuck and "know his job".

That's not how it works you little shit

[winsock]

Honestly, when the tank knows what he's doing, it's very hard to pull off of him during the initial pull. A good tank will instantly line up all the mobs with the correct skills so that he has plenty of aggro from the moment they're looking at him.

This just isn't true or at least is not consistently true unless the tank is pulling small.

Basically, don't pre-pull regen because you don't yet know if the tank can handle it. Do pre-pull regen if the tank can handle it.

Don't pre-pull regen.
If the healer regens pre-pull, they are going to enter combat immediately, which means they won't gain out-of-combat MP ticks while traveling.
If heals are needed during the pull, direct heals are better. With direct heals, the healer can guarantee the heal will land at an ideal time and that they only sacrifice their out-of-combat MP ticks when necessary.

[Frizze]

pre-pull regen stuff

In general its not a great idea to pre-regen. Good tanks will handle it better then bad tanks, and some dungeons are nicer then others about lining up spawn points for easy gathering. With that said, id say stick with your initial thought. Dont do it as a rule, but if someone insists then it should be ok to humor them. Then if it causes an issue, you can stop again(and hopefully theyll learn what the rest of us already know).

[Lilseph]

If the healer regens pre-pull, they are going to enter combat immediately, which means they won't gain out-of-combat MP ticks while traveling.
If heals are needed during the pull, direct heals are better. With direct heals, the healer can guarantee the heal will land at an ideal time and that they only sacrifice their out-of-combat MP ticks when necessary.

This is also a valid point. Among certain things that gets affected by inmediate aggro, it's sprint. I love to pop it always so I can catch up with the tank or to engage/disengage quicky if I have to get into melee range (Miasma II, Holy). SPEAKING OF WHICH:

Guys! Use sprint in dungeons!!!



And it speeds the run up!

[MistakeNot]

Oh god that shouldn't have gone as well as it did and I really feel bad for making such a screw up! I was tinkering glams, put my main healer gear in my retainer and went to bed going all "Oh, I'll fix it tomorrow and go back to healing, weeee." yeah, I didn't fix it. I'm not gonna say "Oh I'm so cool to be able to heal a level 69 dungeon in level 60 gear." No, I was dumb and forgot a thing...should have checked gear but I didn't. Lesson learned. But god this was a fun run cause of the screw up. But I don't wanna do it again...

Well, good level 60 gear should actually be quite viable even at level 69. Augmented Shire gear is ilvl 270. Best lvl 69 gear is ilvl 288 from what I can see. That really isn't all that big a difference.

[Rilifane]

Well, good level 60 gear should actually be quite viable even at level 69. Augmented Shire gear is ilvl 270. Best lvl 69 gear is ilvl 288 from what I can see. That really isn't all that big a difference.

It definitely makes a noticable difference.
Stat difference between Augmentes Shire Gear and 67 gear from the previous dungeon is about 15%, give or take 1% depending on the slot. It's escpecially noticable if the tank is still running around in Shire stuff because the difference in def is even higher. It's... okayish. But everyone gets enough chances for upgrades. Guaranteed drop in level dungerons, more drops with a bit of luck, HQ Quest rewards and MB is also an option.
So unless you forgot your actual gear on your retainer, people shouldn't wear Shire gear in Abania.

[Tridus]

Well, good level 60 gear should actually be quite viable even at level 69. Augmented Shire gear is ilvl 270. Best lvl 69 gear is ilvl 288 from what I can see. That really isn't all that big a difference.

Not even close if you're a tank. Defense is higher on level 63 gear, and massively higher by 69. Tanks wear Shire gear at 69 if they want to make their healers suffer and for no other reason.

Really, nobody should be in Shire gear by Castrum Abania considering how easy it is to get gear out of Bardams and Doma Castle, but it's criminal for a tank to do it.

[ChaoticCrimson]

Iirc, it was right around Bardham that the Augmented Shire gear started getting outclassed by the dungeon drop gear. I can't remember if Shisui gear was about the same or just marginally better. But either way, by the time you get the Castrum Abania Shire gear's been obsolete for a couple dungeons at least. And I'm pretty sure MSQ and a few side quests offer some better pieces of gear around the same time as rewards. So there should be plenty of chances to upgrade gear up to that point.