PSA: Macro Sound Effects Harm People with Sensory Issues

[Texa]

It's always amazing to me how some people assume that individuals with developmental disorders or chronic illnesses are going to stop and complain about every little thing without trying to handle it themselves first. Like you don't go through dealing with sensory issues like this your entire life going "MMMMmmm I can't wait to explain why I can't deal with certain noises to strangers who don't understand my condition at all".

Trying to standup for yourself and ask for solutions to problems that make the game unplayable for you isn't easy and OP has done an excellent job at explaining exactly where the issue is and how SE could work to amend it. I hope they do provide a more satisfactory solution in the long-run.

[ManuelBravo]

I’m not removing or stopping my SUGGESTION thread just because you think it’ll take away time from developers. Why are we debating this? What is your end goal here? What you are saying is irrelevant to the topic and frankly just making people feel invalidated. You are NOT SE. you are not a GM. My suggestion obviously was relevant enough to get a community lead response. And this debate is distracting from the actual suggestions of how such a thing can be implemented. I keep amending my thread for different ideas - the developers can choose the easiest.

Why out of all the SUGGESTION threads are you nitpicking this one?

Look first of all I am not asking you to remove your suggestions, these so called nitpicking that you call them are not targeted at you or this thread. The things that I am debating / pointing out have been solutions that I have been given do to my sensory disability. In no way shape or form did I ever say I was SE or a GM, ( not for this game anyways ). I hate to burst your bubble the reality is that certain things take time and as you may have noticed there are different perspectives. As for the comment of making people feel invalidated, really? So voicing experience on the matter is considered invalidation? Look if your too concern and think everything is about you, sorry to disappoint you no one is being singled out. I have many friend who have visual, sensory, and physical disabilities who struggle on a daily bases just to use the internet. They have to had special equipment installed and as you may already know not all websites are friendly to people with visual and some sensory disabilities. Never the less we all enjoy the game and we cope the way we can. All I did was give suggestions and a realistic perspective.How people perceive it is their choice. I respect your perspective and unless the shoe fits and your taking it to heart there really is no reason to get offended by it. We all do what we can and if you have had another thread in the past about the same subject why not continue updating it? That will actually help more than starting a new one was your last thread also giving information that you did not agree with so you just decided to start a new one?

[BillyKaplan]

I hate to burst your bubble the reality is that certain things take time and as you may have noticed there are different perspectives.

That is not a reason for anyone to not try and champion their cause, especially when what it boils down to is making the game anything from more comfortable to more accessible. No one goes to the forums thinking their post will immediately get translated into an emergency patch, so this kind of logic is redundant. You know what absolutely will make the devs not implement this? Not letting them know people want it.

That will actually help more than starting a new one

Iono, we got a community rep in here, that seems to have gone as far as forum posts can go...

[ManuelBravo]

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Iono, we got a community rep in here, that seems to have gone as far as forum posts can go...

They say ignorance is a bliss so I will let you think about that for a bit. From a tech perspective a reference at the beginning of a previous thread helps a lot when influencing a of a new thread. Never said I was a community rep so not sure where that came from. As for your comment on what will not make developers not implement a suggestion, no kidding here I thought they were mind readers. You might want to read between the lines a bit more. I am not preventing an idea from being voiced out it seems is more of a clash of perspectives. Sorry if I offend anyone or they feel like their being shut down that is not the case, seems words are being twisted without people properly reading before hand.

[RiyahArp]

It's always amazing to me how some people assume that individuals with developmental disorders or chronic illnesses are going to stop and complain about every little thing without trying to handle it themselves first. Like you don't go through dealing with sensory issues like this your entire life going "MMMMmmm I can't wait to explain why I can't deal with certain noises to strangers who don't understand my condition at all".

On the flip side though, you have to realize that if you have severe sensory issues as well as severe mental issues, cooperative video games are going to give you a lot of issues in general that you might be better off avoiding. On reddit, there have been a lot of posts about people with anxiety disorders triggered just by playing dungeons with people; perceved group expectations cause it to blossom into an attack.

For sensory issues that trigger migraines...uh, gaming is the absolute worst hobby to have for that. Even if he mutes chimes, all it takes is going into Limsa and hearing some drk spam unleash or something to trigger it too. Yeah, the devs can make options, but they can't really make a game sensory-safe, because the triggers to things vary so much per person that they'd be slow to respond constantly.

At some point, you have to realize a disability is a disability, an that people can't always acommodate that. They can make reasonable ones, but beyond a point it isn't workable. Not to say this isn't something they can't do, but devs can't always fix the game for people with strong disabilities.

[Texa]

On the flip side though, you have to realize that if you have severe sensory issues as well as severe mental issues, cooperative video games are going to give you a lot of issues in general that you might be better off avoiding.

Nobody on here is asking for any major overhaul to the game. All that's being requested here at this time by this person is basically to have added that they can check to turn off user macros similar to what we already have for effects from others users or custom emotes. All that op is asking for is for one tiny option to be added to help them enjoy the game better. It's not any different from SE making minor adjustments for the color-blind.

I personally deal with a cognitive disorder that affects my ability to process spoken directions that makes it basically impossible for me to do high-end content that requires group chat coordination. My solution to that problem is just to not run that content. But I was the one who made that decision. It's not the business of people who don't deal with issues like that to make that call for what disabled games can or cannot handle or what even defines a "strong" disability. At the same time we're free to complain about any features we do not like just like the rest of the gaming population which doesn't have to serve any kind of grand purpose beyond venting.

[ManuelBravo]

At some point, you have to realize a disability is a disability, an that people can't always accommodate that. They can make reasonable ones, but beyond a point it isn't workable. Not to say this isn't something they can't do, but devs can't always fix the game for people with strong disabilities.

Thank you someone actually gets it.

[BillyKaplan]

Thank you someone actually gets it.

And what you don't get is that what's requested in this particular thread already exists in the game. All this thread is asking is to enable us control over a specific subset of that option.
You think the people posting here don't know our limits? What makes us tick and what breaks us? Trust me, no one here needs anyone to come in and tell us "golly, video games might be bad for you". We know that, and we find our ways to cope. If a game is too bad for us, we stop, as OP repeatedly said they would if a solution is not found. No one's kamikazing themselves on the game and needs any of you good souls to save us from ourselves.

[ManuelBravo]

And what you don't get is that what's requested in this particular thread already exists in the game. All this thread is asking is to enable us control over a specific subset of that option.
You think the people posting here don't know our limits? What makes us tick and what breaks us? Trust me, no one here needs anyone to come in and tell us "golly, video games might be bad for you". We know that, and we find our ways to cope. If a game is too bad for us, we stop, as OP repeatedly said they would if a solution is not found. No one's kamikazing themselves on the game and needs any of you good souls to save us from ourselves.

Apparently you really don't read the past postings I did mention that something was already done so far.

...They did do a sound mute option and people still complain. I love sound track, yet it's sad when people lack common sense and want to have it done over all. You don't have to be Normal, because their is no longer anything or anyone that can be considered normal. Normal is just a label and a poor excuse. It's more of being delicate and people lacking common sense to measure their disabilities.

Not to my surprise you missed the point. Apparently people refuse to comprehend that certain activities no matter how much we love them can be a challenge for some of us. I sympathize to an extend yet I know that certain disabilities have harder challenges than others. I understand sensory disabilities and what people are suggesting. You seem to misunderstand that my past post were suggestions, of certain actions that were recommended based on my stubbornness to play a game that I love. I've found ways to cope when a company does not respond fast enough, yet I have enough common sense to understand the business world. Lets face the facts as human beings who refuse to be told what we do is right or wrong in the eyes of society most bitch and complain and think the world revolves around them. It does not take a Masters degree in Human behavior to realize that ignorance and self validation go hand in hand. So to end with this conversation allow me to play the worlds smallest violin for you.

[MatthiasS]

And what you don't get is that what's requested in this particular thread already exists in the game. All this thread is asking is to enable us control over a specific subset of that option.
You think the people posting here don't know our limits? What makes us tick and what breaks us? Trust me, no one here needs anyone to come in and tell us "golly, video games might be bad for you". We know that, and we find our ways to cope. If a game is too bad for us, we stop, as OP repeatedly said they would if a solution is not found. No one's kamikazing themselves on the game and needs any of you good souls to save us from ourselves.

Oh for gods sake, not everything has to be built to baby everyone. Just for that, I'm adding pings to every macro I've got.