New Lucky Bancho Census 12/1/17

[Sandpark]

Honestly I wasn't saying that. Were some of those losses due to raiding? Probably. But I bet it also had to do with the rise of other mmos like ESO, XIV, Tera, and others.

But yeah most people do not want to raid. Jump in, jump out, raids aren't built like that, if the content is challenging enough that pugs struggle, it becomes a bane to form groups. Even the best games don't stay played forever, eventually most want something new.

[basketofseals]

Honestly I wasn't saying that. Were some of those losses due to raiding? Probably. But I bet it also had to do with the rise of other mmos like ESO, XIV, Tera, and others.

But yeah most people do not want to raid. Jump in, jump out, raids aren't built like that, if the content is challenging enough that pugs struggle, it becomes a bane to form groups. Even the best games don't stay played forever, eventually most want something new.

None of the MMOs you mentioned had a release date from around that time. The closest one is ESO, but WoD was released 6 months after. WoW was on a slow decline, but it was a very predictable and steady decline until WoD which jumped off a cliff.

Also LFR raids were just like that. They were split up into 3 nice wings that you could easily jump in and out of. You could complete each wing well under an hour, and mechanics were mostly ignorable.