Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mhaeric]

Sounds like Desperately heal to me.

Not necessarily. You can plan a clutch heal out. I tend to do this on my AST in the 60 and below (especially the <=50) dungeons , since Essential Dignity is so powerful for them. It's super easy to let the tank drop to about 20% health and hit them with an instant Essential Dignity and Aspected Benefic then go back to DPSing my heart out. In all but a few cases this is more than enough to get through most dungeon content at those levels these days.

Heck, one accepted raid strategy at one point for a specific fight was to have most of the party eat a massive damage attack and then have the healer who sat out of it LB3 them back to life rather than try to actually do the mechanic. That's the epitome of planned clutch healing lol.

[Taika]

Anyway- I get an astologian who pulls every mob early, in the beginning spammed only helios, then refused to heal me unless my health got to critically low numbers. I main astro so this hurts my very soul to see someone playing so bad or trolling.

With Sastasha you mean the level 15 dungeon, right, not the Hard version? I've seen ASTs heal through it successfully before SB in full time Cleric Stance and nothing but Essential Dignity before. It's not bad healer play if no one dies and the healer is spending rest of the time on DPS.

[Awha]

I do not understand this mindset at all, I bet if you were to die that healer would have placed all the blame on you. I truly do not understand this let the target get critical low before casting a heal, though I do not play healer so maybe it really is a thing among the healer community. I get spending as few GCD's on healing skills as possible, letting the target in this case tank get critical in a random group especially letting a starting out tank always get critically low without telling them in advance does not seem necessary to me. Granted I am sure from the healers POV he was never at risk, but clearly the tank felt otherwise. Communication goes a long way. Like hey it may seem like I am ignoring your hp, but do not worry I got you. Have faith in da heals. lol idk

[Taika]

I do not understand this mindset at all, I bet if you were to die that healer would have placed all the blame on you. I truly do not understand this let the target get critical low before casting a heal, though I do not play healer so maybe it really is a thing among the healer community.

Essential Dignity heals more the lower HP the target is, and it also has really high potency (able to heal target from critical health to full in low level instances), so it makes the most sense using this particular ability like this. And Benediction too, of course. It's simply the optimal way to use these abilities.

Of course this requires that the healer is able to predict the amount of incoming damage accurately and doesn't let the tank drop so low that they are in actual risk of dying.

[Awha]

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Did not know that so it makes sense, but I mean the healer acknowledged that he might be scarring the tank. If they explained this to the tank I am sure said person would have been okay with it and not think they were a bad healer. When I started to level up my tank it took me a couple of runs to get use to the whole let the tank get as low as safely possible before casting a heal to maximize DPS up time. I just wish at times the healer would communicate that they may let the tank hp dip fairly low, but to not worry. I mean as tanks it is told that we should tell them group in advance if we plan to do large pulls and check the waters, but I do not think I have once ran into a healer while leveling, ( I am use to it now, and expect it as the norm ) that they were going to let me get as low as possible before healing. Leveling up my tank when I started to play I did clutch my cheeks more then one occasion.

[Taika]

Did not know that so it makes sense, but I mean the healer acknowledged that he might be scarring the tank. If they explained this to the tank I am sure said person would have been okay with it and not think they were a bad healer.

Being a good tank means also being familiar with different healer jobs and their abilities and vice versa. I do agree that in an ideal situation things such as invulnerability cooldowns, benedictions, limit breaks and other significant abilities are communicated between party members, but that rarely happens in DF. Usually tanks and healers just need to watch each other's ability use and adjust their own playing accordingly if needed. But "letting the tank drop low and healing only when needed" has been the standard healer playstyle in this game since at least 2.0 and I don't think it should be separately communicated (it's similar to tank dropping tank stance for bosses - I never see that being called out either). And as a healer, I'm there to do my job, not to babysit the tank and protect their gentle feelings. (Edit: I do play tank too.)

[Awha]

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Oh did not know that, I do have macros for when I use my invulnerability skill, and I also do have a macro for when I am dropping tank stance just to give the healer a heads up. I figured that was the norm for tanks to have such macros for when they use those skills. Granted I hardly ever leave DPS stance now, but I do have the macro.

Please do not misunderstand me I do understand that maximizing dps up time as a healer is the optimal way to heal in this game, and as a tank I do enjoy it since more responsibility is placed on me as a tank, which is fun. All I am saying is that a little communication is far from baby sitting.

I do not think this is a matter of protecting ones feelings and more so communication goes a long way. Seems to me if the healer in question let the tank in on what they were doing said tank would not have felt they were trolling and properly the overall run would have been more enjoyable for everyone.

[AlyssaWildheart]

I do not think this is a matter of protecting ones feelings and more so communication goes a long way. Seems to me if the healer in question let the tank in on what they were doing said tank would not have felt they were trolling.

This exactly, though this healer did state he "never heals when playing astro" and he directly told me "I'll heal you...sometimes...maybe" (he mentioned this at literally the last boss, not the beginning of the dungeon)

I'm fine with my health dropping really low but the reason I suspect trolling was his overall attitude and that when I had aggro he would spam helios until all the enemies ran to him. (at the beginning of fights when my health was full)

I dunno, it was just a bad experience, there are good healers, not so good- it happens.

[Taika]

I'm fine with my health dropping really low but the reason I suspect trolling was his overall attitude and that when I had aggro he would spam helios until all the enemies ran to him. (at the beginning of fights when my health was full)

Yeah, the helios spam part does make them seem like a troll.

[Minako_Nightsong]

Essential Dignity heals more the lower HP the target is, and it also has really high potency (able to heal target from critical health to full in low level instances), so it makes the most sense using this particular ability like this. And Benediction too, of course. It's simply the optimal way to use these abilities.

Of course this requires that the healer is able to predict the amount of incoming damage accurately and doesn't let the tank drop so low that they are in actual risk of dying.

It's a level 15 dungeon so your dps are gonna chew these mobs up anyhow. Any healer's basic heal will also heal for half a tank's hp pool so why all this micro-management? I'd just keep it simple and throw my stones at monsters while tossing my tank an occasional cure and do just as much dps.