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  1. #21
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    CaTi's Avatar
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    Cammy Tiala
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    Paladin Lv 70
    I think maybe 5% off the top of FoF is more appropriate, especially if you want a DRK buff as well. the point isn't to just make PLD the worst DPS tank significantly because we'll just end up doing this argument with the roles reversed. Ideally tanks need to be doing very similar damage really. DPS should not be a major metric for tank preference (admittedly that's as much a game design flaw devaluing mitigation as anything else)

    Do agree with the idea that things should be brought up and not nerfed down if any changes are necessary.
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    Jukebox12's Avatar
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    Juke Fm
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by CaTi View Post
    I think maybe 5% off the top of FoF is more appropriate, especially if you want a DRK buff as well. the point isn't to just make PLD the worst DPS tank significantly because we'll just end up doing this argument with the roles reversed. Ideally tanks need to be doing very similar damage really. DPS should not be a major metric for tank preference (admittedly that's as much a game design flaw devaluing mitigation as anything else)

    Do agree with the idea that things should be brought up and not nerfed down if any changes are necessary.
    you do you realize that 5% is somewhat huge in the long term.
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  3. #23
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    I don’t think paladin should be nerfed, I think Dark Knight should be raised closer to or above Warrior in dps.
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  4. #24
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    347SPECTRE's Avatar
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    Khirrika Moshroca
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I have an idea to boost DRK DPS and also (possibly) make it more fun, still mulling over it and looking at basic numbers.
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  5. #25
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    Wedge Ironworks
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    Lamia
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    I would say make scourge a 3rd part of a combo. Since dark knight only has 2 combos, while the other 2 tanks have 3.
    Syphon strike would combo into the new scourge. Scourge would work like ninja's shadow fang, giving a dot and a magic resistance down debuff instead of slashing. Make scourges dot powerful enough to make drk follow closer to WAR's dps. Thoughts on this?
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukebox12 View Post
    you do you realize that 5% is somewhat huge in the long term.
    Oh I do, but compared to the original post suggestion of knocking the buff down to 10-15%? Definitely more palatable if it absolutely had to be nerfed in 4.2 (although it really doesn't need to be)
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  7. #27
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    Carlo Vinne
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubytoe View Post
    I would say make scourge a 3rd part of a combo. Since dark knight only has 2 combos, while the other 2 tanks have 3.
    Syphon strike would combo into the new scourge. Scourge would work like ninja's shadow fang, giving a dot and a magic resistance down debuff instead of slashing. Make scourges dot powerful enough to make drk follow closer to WAR's dps. Thoughts on this?
    There's enough argument against any new DoTs that I don't see Scourge making a comeback as one.

    Maybe a self-buff. Grants 5 blood with each weaponskill used? Grants a free Dark Arts? Increases damage dealt by Blood skills? Or maybe a buff that, over the next fifteen seconds, gradually grants 25 blood.
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  8. #28
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    Gulvioir Muruc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimmak View Post
    There's enough argument against any new DoTs that I don't see Scourge making a comeback as one.

    Maybe a self-buff. Grants 5 blood with each weaponskill used? Grants a free Dark Arts? Increases damage dealt by Blood skills? Or maybe a buff that, over the next fifteen seconds, gradually grants 25 blood.
    Or what about a speed boost rather than a traditional damage boost?
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  9. #29
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    Way Tiberius
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    Or what about a speed boost rather than a traditional damage boost?
    If we think of DRK being the Magic tank, we could add a magic debuff to the attack. (Combining this with Ekimmak's idea.) With this, Scourge could be:

    "Delivers an attack with a potency of 180.
    Additional effect: applies the effect "Scourge" on the player, increasing Blood Gauge by 50 over 30s (or 25 over 15s).
    Additional effect: Increases target's magic damage taken by 5% for 15s."

    The increase to magic damage taken could be a Dark Arts effect, but if so it might need to be a 30s duration? I would have to actively crunch the numbers, but for just the healers this would be a combined ~150-200rDPS increase during this time, not even including if the comp had casters.

    Just my 2 cents. I don't have my DRK past 61, but have been enjoying it so far. I don't want it to end up being a clone of another job, however, so I don't think adding "yet another combo-ender DoT" is a good idea.
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  10. #30
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    Aquis Onionslicer
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    Ragnarok
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    Paladin Lv 90
    would it be better? no..because ff was like this from 2.0 , why should it not worth mentioned and now should be nerfed?
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