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    Well look at all the female active characters. Targeting the majority of player characters makes sense. Even though there are more male characters created. There are more active female characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    And, frankly, I am fine with that. There was a good amount of female cast going here, so I wouldn't be surprised if SE happens to go that way regarding vanity items.
    It's not based on statistics (they believe they have more subscribers who main male characters; whether or not they're correct is an irrelevant point as it's just anecdotal evidence).
    It's not commercially sound (they can see how much money on unnecessary extra junk I spend on this game - it's a lot, and not everyone unhappy with this treatment is even staying to pay a subscription).
    It's not based on cultural factors, because there are lots of good designs from before the creativity faded away. The glorious mishmash of the 100/110 PVP sets alone counter almost every 'because Japanese culture is conservative' argument.
    It's not based on history, because when ARR launched and became a success glamour options were 100% equal between male and female characters.
    It's not based on time taken for development, because the bunny ears are coming up to three years overdue and anyone with even the most superficial knowledge of modelling could get those working for male characters within a couple of hours. The texture on the Edda dress alone would have taken longer, and served far fewer customers.
    It's not because SB 'happened' to have more female characters they could use, because they still chose to lock the outfits. I'm happy there are so many female NPCs. But there's no rational justification for locking hotpants and a jacket.
    It's not about authenticity to the character from which the outfit is borrowed. Aymeric's hair proves that.
    It's not based on what other MMOs do, because the Final Fantasy series has long enjoyed a remarkably balanced appeal compared to the narrow focus of other titles. You can see it at every fan event or in online fan communities, just by looking around and seeing all the happy female faces mingling with the male ones. You can see it in the outspoken LGBTQ+ community here on the forums and in-game. You can see it in the compassionate responses new players receive in the New Players forum. When I leave, I'm not going to go play another MMO. I'm just not going to play one at all, because what FFXIV had back before it became a pander-fest was special and unique.
    It won't get better in future, because we have Hien, Alphinaud and Gosetsu to come while girls are looking forward to Lyse v2, Minfilia v2, Yugiri (possibly two versions since Yoshida said her SB outfit was a unique recolour), Alisaie, Yotsuyu, Krile (already confirmed to be one of the next) and goodness knows who else, plus two different medieval dresses from HW which people keep asking for. I'm happy to have lots of female NPCs, but the unique male costumes are ridiculously rare. Maybe we can get all of the Garlean armours while the female characters get none one day. Imagine the riots on the forums. It will never happen.
    Even when we do get outfits, they're afterthoughts compared to the female versions. The Thavnairian silk dress is a full outfit; the shirt has no matching pants. They have a curious obsession with giving us shirts with no matching pants. I'm glad we get the shirts at all, but it's a lot harder to put unique outfits together if your character is a dude.

    All of this is based on the fact that the dev team has become completely tone deaf to the fact that they are favouring the same group of people over and over and over again. It's like a textbook example of repeating the same avoidable mistake and making their own customers feel like garbage. And they'll drive their beautiful game into the ground one day without ever seeing the problem they created.
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    Last edited by Serilda; 11-27-2017 at 09:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Well look at all the female active characters. Targeting the majority of player characters makes sense. Even though there are more male characters created. There are more active female characters.
    About 56% of active characters are female. That's barely a majority. If the number was 92% then I'd agree with you but the split is almost even.
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    I just wish thw question wasn't always ducked and dodged in regards to more customization.
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    I'm definitely not opposed to the idea of more glamour for males, but what type of outfits would really fit a "male only" bill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    About 56% of active characters are female. That's barely a majority. If the number was 92% then I'd agree with you but the split is almost even.
    Imagine if everything was done by this logic, too. You'd have gear locked to nothing but Miqo'te in every other patch while Roegadyn and Elezen get nothing, just because some people don't understand their appeal. If they can't accommodate everyone in a game, they shouldn't have invited everyone to play in the first place by baiting us in with fair treatment and diverse character models. There is no rational justification for the pandering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy View Post
    I'm definitely not opposed to the idea of more glamour for males, but what type of outfits would really fit a "male only" bill?
    Totally random ones, if the criteria for an outfit being female-only is anything to go by

    But more seriously, I'd have loved to have seen more outfits which celebrate the lack of need for any chest covering on a guy - tattoos, scars, muscles; let us enjoy whatever kind of masculine (or less masculine) aesthetic we want to go for. The male-only NPC outfits from Ishgard should have been male-only for players, and them being made unisex has condemned the dresses to limbo for the girls. Maybe add a couple of nice alternatives to the Justaucorps (which I love) along with breeches for formal, military-style menswear and release the dresses for the ladies. More shorts that aren't knee-length or speedos would be nice (like Lyse's, they'd do). Maybe some natural-looking headgear like the beautiful female GARO hats except with autumn leaves, for guys who want a more natural, Gridanian-style aesthetic. A small hat like the postmoogle one, except dyeable and without the postmoogle theme; my Elezen head is tiny and looks plain bad with most of the other glamour hats we have.

    And some simple leather pants which don't have the non-rigged laces on the Dragonskin Bottoms as they are my favourite pants and look completely ugly when seated

    All of these things could be worn by girls too, sure, like the way all of the female-only gear could easily be worn by a man in the real world. But if they're insisting on a lock, then it's only natural that female characters will feel a bit envious when they're on the other side for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    About 56% of active characters are female. That's barely a majority. If the number was 92% then I'd agree with you but the split is almost even.

    Thats true, but the real question is has that number stayed constant. Or in the past 2-3 years have they seen a decline in male characters over female characters. If so then that makes more sense.
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    You guys should make a list and post it as a suggestion. I think I saw a full list of NPC gear that hasn't been implemented yet for males. I understand Hien's outfit isn't available yet as it's still a current relevant design, unlike Lyse which outfit was discarded quickly. Same thing happened with the Scions' outfits and Aymeric's. On those cases, it's just matter of waiting. I'll agree that they need to bring some balance here, specially with things like the bunny outfit and create a male counterpart.
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    Is this really as big a as problem people are claiming? I counted the outfits in the mogstation and the amount outfits for both genders are equal. Altogether, women have 12 gearsets (including the Lyse, Edda, and seasonal outfits), men have 12, and 14 are unisex. I only the counted gearsets and not individual pieces, like the Lordss/Lady's Yutakas. Even in regards to individual pieces (Southern Seas Suitsuit and Vests), they all have male/female equivalents and are equal in number. The idea of woman having "cooler outfits" is only subjective, because not everyone might like how the Far Eastern Matriarch's Attire looks. Basically, it looks equal and I'd hate for things to come to the point when females get ANYTHING for themselves, there's an outrage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Well look at all the female active characters. Targeting the majority of player characters makes sense. Even though there are more male characters created. There are more active female characters.
    Its a circle, SE creates only female outfits, so players who want have more glamour options need to play a female character, which inturn means more female character, which SE makes exclusive glamour for. Its no wonder alot of my friends (myself including) feel like we are forced to play female avatar if we want to have more options. It also doesnt help that Yoshida said in a interview that designing sexy or cute outfits for male outfits is a big NO NO, because their developers are uncomfortable with creating them. Fine, if you are uncomfortable, be uncomfortable, but atleast adress the community and be honest that you are not creating new outfit for males only.

    As for me, I give up, its almost 3 years since we have been waiting for the male bunny outfit, since then those with female avatars have had more options, this year alone those with female avatars got two exclusive outfits and we still have not had the Mog Station patch that happens before the Starlight event.

    Equality HAH!
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