Anyone gets tired of the level 50 main story quest? Is this a recurring thread?

[Gadesbi]

Having just finished the 2.0-2.55 quests last night (finally!!) I do wish the stories were trimmed a bit, but the ending was worth the watch imo. It took so long, I had a few weeks of challenge log to level up and ended up at lol 56.5 at the beginning of HW, so the 4800exp also make a little sense, just frustrating to get through 10 million quests for little rewards on most completions. I am excited to get into HW now!

[Berethos]

Is there really nothing wrong with having over 100 quests to do before new players can have access to heavensward? Which contains 3 classes that they might have bought the game to play in the first place? Most of which are filler fetch quests? Can you really think of nothing wrong with that kind of game design?

Which is why they really should make that batch of content optional. If you're at the right level, you should be able to pick up with the next big arc (and even return to do stuff like the 2.x series at your own pace later should you choose).

If a player can't handle it, then they shouldn't be forced to do it, but the devs shouldn't have to remove content from the game for the sake of those that don't care about it in the first place.

Look at story pacing of Legion for example

WoW has never been good at story pacing.

They drop new characters in with barely any setup, go for the big dramatic set pieces with little leadin, have hilariously truncated "dramatic" dialogue more often than not, and cap it off with some well made cinematics that don't even feature your character. The times where they've had better story pacing elements they've been criticized for having those "take too long" (and we're talking about a dialogue exchange between characters take more than 20 seconds).

I'd rather we avoid their pacing if we can help it.

Most of which are filler fetch quests?

I keep seeing this claim, and yet after repeatedly asking someone to point out exactly where this majority of filler exists (we have access to the quest names, so it's not hard to point to them, or the ranges between one quest and another that are this supposed filler) I've yet to see anyone do anything other than make the claim that most of it is filler.

So I'll ask again - where is all this filler, and can you defend it as filler and not just important parts of the story that you didn't find interesting?

[DDkiki]

Taking some small phrase out of context and answer only it is your hobby?

[Berethos]

Taking some small phrase out of context and answer only it is your hobby?

Didn't need to quote the whole thing to address the issue that WoW has never been good at story pacing.

What they have been good at is creating a sense of gameplay pacing where you get moved from interesting gameplay moment to interesting gameplay moment at a pace that is quick enough to keep it interesting, but they've always had to sacrifice story pacing to achieve that.

[Hruodig]

Which is why they really should make that batch of content optional. If you're at the right level, you should be able to pick up with the next big arc (and even return to do stuff like the 2.x series at your own pace later should you choose).

If a player can't handle it, then they shouldn't be forced to do it, but the devs shouldn't have to remove content from the game for the sake of those that don't care about it in the first place.

This wouldn't really fix the problem-the content that they may or may not care about is still keeping them from expansion gameplay content.

I keep seeing this claim, and yet after repeatedly asking someone to point out exactly where this majority of filler exists (we have access to the quest names, so it's not hard to point to them, or the ranges between one quest and another that are this supposed filler) I've yet to see anyone do anything other than make the claim that most of it is filler.

So I'll ask again - where is all this filler, and can you defend it as filler and not just important parts of the story that you didn't find interesting?

I found the vast majority of it to be incredibly, mind-numbingly boring, but I'll keep my personal opinions about this game's story out of this thread since it's not really relevant. Filler was probably the wrong word to use.

[DDkiki]

Didn't need to quote the whole thing to address the issue that WoW has never been good at story pacing.

What they have been good at is creating a sense of gameplay pacing where you get moved from interesting gameplay moment to interesting gameplay moment at a pace that is quick enough to keep it interesting, but they've always had to sacrifice story pacing to achieve that.

Because all story is told by subquests. Almost all "important"FFXIV stories are not that important to be mandatory for everyone and should be optional. That was the main point of the post, and you just ignored it.

[HyoMinPark]

I do agree that the 2.xx quests were incredibly mind-numbing at times. I'm currently leveling up some alts for raiding purposes, and I don't really look forward to doing the majority of 2.xx again. There were some parts I enjoyed, like I really liked Levi, Ramuh, and Shiva, and I did like the build-up in 2.55 to 3.0, but I just remember feeling an impending impatience wanting to get to Heavensward because I had heard so many good things about it.

That could have contributed to my less-than-fond memories of 2.xx. I'll kindly reserve re-judging it again for when I reach there on my alts (although I am eager to do Heavensward and 3.2~3.3 again because they're my favorite MSQs). Guess they can't be any worse than the Company of Heroes quests leading up to Titan in 2.0....

[Divinemights]

Can you really think of nothing wrong with that kind of game design?

Like I said, only the generation that spoiled by fast instant noodle type free mmorpg would want everything hand to them on a silver plate. They are like lotus consumes a game content as fast as possible then move to next one. They have no intention to build a community with us. Why would I willing to see changes to accompany these type of players? I don't. They can go back to those new Korean free mmo that comes every year. Isn't Bless Online coming out soon? Go for it, tigers

[Hruodig]

Like I said, only the generation that spoiled by fast instant noodle type free mmorpg would want everything hand to them on a silver plate. They are like lotus consumes a game content as fast as possible then move to next one. They have no intention to build a community with us. Why would I willing to see changes to accompany these type of players? I don't. They can go back to those new Korean free mmo that comes every year. Isn't Bless Online coming out soon? Go for it, tigers

You do realize that there's a middle ground between bloated stories and korean mmos? Also, your bias against younger people is strange and frankly unwarranted.

[Berethos]

This wouldn't really fix the problem

Which is why they really should make that batch of content optional.

So what further step do they need to take beyond the one I suggested in the same response you quoted? If that batch of content is optional, there's no gate keeping them from moving on to expansion gameplay content, AND none of the content currently in the game gets removed, AND the developers don't have to waste time on what is apparently an already tight development schedule rewriting and redoing scenes and quests (because that's what it would take to remove more than a few of the current set of 2.x quests). It's nearly a Win-Win for everyone, except those few who believe the content should somehow both be optional and cut down in size (and if the issue is that it's blocking access to later stuff, then making it optional solves that issue and there's zero need to remove anything).

You do realize that there's a middle ground between bloated stories and korean mmos?

The stories here aren't actually bloated (the Wheel of Time series...now that's where you can find examples of bloated storytelling) - that would suggest a bunch of useless stuff that doesn't go anywhere. Most of what happens in 2.x gets used for future developments...they just (as I've mentioned in an earlier post) used that patch series to set-up like 3-4 different major arcs that in some cases are still being resolved.

The Monetarist vs the Sultana and Ala Mhigan refugees stuff, for example, is a major foundation setup for events that just played out in 4.1.