DPS is the job of DPS.

[Gemina]

You seem to be under the impression that tank stance is the best mitigation in the game.

You mean that the best mitigation is killing things quickly? Don't talk to me like a newbie, I've been healing tanks a long time. Long enough to know that tanks going full on DPS require more heals from me unless incoming damage doesn't beat out the regen ticks, as in the case with over-geared content. This is fine though, so long as they are holding agro. I don't have a e-peen. I couldn't care less about my own DPS because it is not my primary role. If a tank wants to be more defensive, I'll DPS more. If they want to be offensive, I'll heal more. That adaptability is one of the great things about being a healer, and the DPS between the tank and myself will always be around the same.

Also, what other ability in the game gives tanks a perpetual 20% mitigation other than tank stance?

[Sunhwapark]

I've been healing tanks a long time.

Okay.

What other ability in the game gives tanks a perpetual 20% mitigation other than tank stance?

Are you sure you've been healing a long time? Because i feel like honestly, you should be at least slightly familiar with how tanks work considering how often you have to work with them.

[Gemina]

Okay.



Are you sure you've been healing a long time? Because i feel like honestly, you should be at least slightly familiar with how tanks work considering how often you have to work with them.

Really? How long have you been healing them? I've also been posting on internet forums for a long time as well, and can smell a trollish comment a mile away.

[Gemina]

Actually, War defiance doesn't give any additional mitigation. It does give a max 25% hp and does increase healing received by 20%. That being said, it doesn't help when getting hit by a tank buster, hard hitting mobs, etc and is only reliant on either being healed or self healing.

My question wasn't loaded if anyone takes it that way, and I am curious if there are any abilities other than tank stance that provide a perpetual 20% mitigation. DRK is the only tank I am familiar with.

However, is this information accurate?

Defiance:

Increases maximum HP by 25%, while reducing damage dealt by 20% and increasing enmity.

Increases own HP recovery via healing magic by 20%.

Effect ends upon reuse.

Using certain actions while under the effect of Defiance will increase your Beast Gauge, increasing parry rate to a maximum of 10%. The Beast Gauge returns to 0 when Defiance ends.

Cannot be used with Deliverance.

Shares a recast timer with Deliverance.

Anyway, I do agree that the whole meta of tanks leaving tank stance to kill things faster is not accurate. It comes down to the mathematics which others I think have already worked out to some extent. Killing all enemies faster as a better form of mitigation is thrown around a lot without the context of how it works in actuality.

With all players of equal skill playing their roles properly, I'm personally not sure what would be more useful. Say for example, I stay in deliverance to increase my dps and my overall dps goes up by "x" amount minus healer dps due to spending time healing more.

Does healer dps while I'm in tank stance do more overall dps?
OR
Does staying in dps stance while healer spends more time healing do more dps.

I don't know tbh.

Awesome! You know exactly where I am coming from. I totally get both tanks and healers trying to be as offensive as possible in order to optimize, and kill things efficiently, but the individual mindset in these threads drives me batshit.

[InfiniDragon]

My question wasn't loaded if anyone takes it that way, and I am curious if there are any abilities other than tank stance that provide a perpetual 20% mitigation. DRK is the only tank I am familiar with.

However, is this information accurate?

Defiance:

Increases maximum HP by 25%, while reducing damage dealt by 20% and increasing enmity.

Nope. It isn't accurate at all. Warriors get no defensive bonus from their tank stance, just better heals and more HP. the eHP works out to be about the same as the other two's tank stances in most cases, but Warriors, absolutely, 100% do NOT get defense buffs from Defiance. They'd be walking fortresses in tank stance if they did and also had more HP than the other two tanks.

EDIT: On topic, if you're in content that matters to you to clear, DPS is everyone's job. Enmity is everyone's job also, while we're on the topic.

[HoodRat]

Nope. It isn't accurate at all. Warriors get no defensive bonus from their tank stance, just better heals and more HP. the eHP works out to be about the same as the other two's tank stances in most cases, but Warriors, absolutely, 100% do NOT get defense buffs from Defiance. They'd be walking fortresses in tank stance if they did and also had more HP than the other two tanks.

That's damage dealt by the war.

[InfiniDragon]

That's damage dealt by the war.

Yep. That's the damage dealt by the Warrior reducing by 20%, not the damage dealt by enemies to the Warrior.

Just making sure it was clear to the healer talking about it above.

[HoodRat]

Yep. That's the damage dealt by the Warrior reducing by 20%, not the damage dealt by enemies to the Warrior.

Just making sure it was clear to the healer talking about it above.

Oh, it looked like you bolded the reduce damage dealt part, but it was already bolded. I can't brain anymore.

[Gemina]

Nope. It isn't accurate at all. Warriors get no defensive bonus from their tank stance, just better heals and more HP. the eHP works out to be about the same as the other two's tank stances in most cases, but Warriors, absolutely, 100% do NOT get defense buffs from Defiance. They'd be walking fortresses in tank stance if they did and also had more HP than the other two tanks.

EDIT: On topic, if you're in content that matters to you to clear, DPS is everyone's job. Enmity is everyone's job also, while we're on the topic.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I actually see I read it wrong, and it is the damage they deal not receive.