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  1. #191
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    Kytelian's Avatar
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    Kytelian Synzai
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    It's the players fault that the servers bloated, but it would've never gotten so bad had Square Enix simply locked the servers much earlier. One cannot expect a mass amount of people to regulate something as complicated as entire populations shifting and moving between servers, whereas Square Enix has both the manpower and money to do it.
    This. I've maintained for a while that Gilga/Balmung should have been completely locked at some point during HW for a period of time. I also think the lock was necessary at SB launch. I'd also like to point out that the smaller servers are not faultless for the situation either. They could have done more in their communities to try to promote raiding/RP/whatever other incentives to try and get people to stick around. This is a situation that was ultimately caused by all parties involved, not just people saying "come to Gilgamesh" or "come to Balmung".
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  2. #192
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    Veritas-Ancora's Avatar
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    Mother Vain
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    Gilgamesh
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    Reaper Lv 100
    20 pages in of comments pleading. Unless I'm mistaken, the community teams has not once acknowledged that they would be forwarding this over to the development teams.

    I don't know what else to do. Over 300 people signed that Change.org petition. My community is dying. Everyone else's communities are dying. People are quitting left and right. Square-Enix is losing money.

    I'm fed up with this community's lacking acknowledgement of the problem. I've gone from hopeful and loving this game to cynical. This community cared so much more in A Realm Reborn, this game isn't the same.
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    I hope the devs are listening. We need the devs to please listen.

  3. #193
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    Talraen's Avatar
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    Ryelle Galashin
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora View Post
    I don't know what else to do. Over 300 people signed that Change.org petition. My community is dying. Everyone else's communities are dying. People are quitting left and right. Square-Enix is losing money.
    Gilgamesh is still third most active server in the entire game. https://ffxivcensus.com/#ra-na
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  4. #194
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    InkstainedGwyn's Avatar
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    Souji Hanamura
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    Exodus
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I think the biggest issue here is that people from super populated servers don't understand that what they're currently seeing is what every other server sees normally. And as regrettable as it might be to lose the bustle if that's what you love and what you play for, it's not what the servers are built for. People talk about 'Shirogane is dead, I never see more than a handful of people'; I've /never/ seen more than 2 non-party members in any of my housing instances (apartment, FC house, personal house - LB, Mist, Shirogane) at a time. Rhalgr's Reach is currently the most populated with ~ 50 people on at primetime. Kugane tends to have.... ~15-20 people spread between the inn, the aetheryte, and Kogane Dori. And Exodus isn't one of the smallest servers.

    I'm not saying that we don't need servers that support a bigger community, if that's what some players want. I am saying that what you had isn't what they're going to allow again unless they get those bigger servers (and it doesn't sound like it). Even if they open your servers back up, as soon as you got back your bustle, they'd close it again or cut the server in half. Currently, under SE server load, what you wanted you won't get back.
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  5. #195
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    Oscura's Avatar
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    Shion Sumeragi
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Talraen View Post
    Of course, maybe housing is a terrible metric and there are still plenty of dead servers on Aether. That would be a pretty good argument on why Gilgamesh should not be unlocked yet, would it not?
    Yes, exactly. As I've said before, I personally do not care whether or not Gilgamesh is unlocked. I can cross-server PF with my friends just fine, and cross server FL makes things even easier. I just personally felt it was illogical to constantly read "this has done so much good," when no one can exactly say how much good it's actually done. If it had done as much as people like to exaggerate neither server would need to be locked anymore. Yet people are arguing it should still be locked despite their exaggerations. I have never once in my posts tried to imply or say that Gilgamesh should be unlocked, and if I ever seemed that way I apologize.
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  6. #196
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    Daranion's Avatar
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    Daranion Thronir
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    Cactuar
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    Call me misinformed but, isn't the locks intention to MAKE people leave? Like, isn't people transferring off because they hate the stagnation the point? Why would they unlock it when its working entirely as desired?
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  7. #197
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daranion View Post
    -snip-
    You're absolutely correct. The people crying foul over this are mostly the same people who seem to think it's fine for the entire datacentre to crash as a consequence of their server being overpopulated so long as their friends/family can join them. Balmung and Gilgamesh needed to be locked not only for the sake of the stability of the datacentre but because it isn't healthy to encourage a toxic environment where new players are encouraged to head to servers that are already brimming with activity.

    Now that the 'giants' are locked down nice and tight we're seeing other servers become healthier. Neither Balmung or Gilgamesh are at risk of stagnating or dying either since they're still very highly populated - they're just no longer allowed to reign unfettered.
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  8. #198
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    Nana Wiloh
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora View Post
    20 pages in of comments pleading. Unless I'm mistaken, the community teams has not once acknowledged that they would be forwarding this over to the development teams.

    I don't know what else to do. Over 300 people signed that Change.org petition. My community is dying. Everyone else's communities are dying. People are quitting left and right. Square-Enix is losing money.

    I'm fed up with this community's lacking acknowledgement of the problem. I've gone from hopeful and loving this game to cynical. This community cared so much more in A Realm Reborn, this game isn't the same.
    The community does care but the community also cares about the stability of the servers. Having a server be locked is not fun, no one is denying that but letting the servers get packed to the brim like Balmung is not good. The community understands Gilgameshes frustration even if their not experiencing it.
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  9. #199
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    TensaiSogetsu's Avatar
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    Mugetsu Okami
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    Posting
    Like
    This
    Is
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    Stop.
    That
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  10. #200
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    Nenemi Nemi
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 40
    Quote Originally Posted by Kytelian View Post
    This. I've maintained for a while that Gilga/Balmung should have been completely locked at some point during HW for a period of time. I also think the lock was necessary at SB launch. I'd also like to point out that the smaller servers are not faultless for the situation either. They could have done more in their communities to try to promote raiding/RP/whatever other incentives to try and get people to stick around. This is a situation that was ultimately caused by all parties involved, not just people saying "come to Gilgamesh" or "come to Balmung".

    The lock was justified once they added the cross world pf which should have been in the game on day 1 and could have helped prevent the problem quite a bit,

    Before the cross world pf large servers had a big advantage over smaller ones because if you wanted to raid or even do extreme primals on low population servers you could spend an entire night trying to get a group together and if you didn't play prime time you were basically completely out of luck and had to rely on having a big enough fc/ls to run with people.
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