Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mysterysword]

Diversion is superior. It instantly drops your threat by half. Lucid Dreaming reduces your threat generated over the duration.

You mixed up their enmity effects. Also, if a BLM drops below the required MP for Blizzard, which is impossible unless they're in Astral Fire, they can use the level 4 skill of Transpose to get an Umbral Ice stack, then wait 3 seconds for MP regen.

Source: Am an actual BLM main.

Also, a BLM who starts a boss fight with triplecast Flares should be slapped upside the head.

[Paladinleeds]

Diversion is superior. It instantly drops your threat by half. Lucid Dreaming reduces your threat generated over the duration. Prior to 70 you're not putting out that much burst. At 70, if you lead in with a pair of fouls and then triplecast flares, you can pull aggro, but not much outside of that. If you need both at any level, your tank is bad and is probably using single target crap on an aoe pull.

Other way round. Lucid halves it, Diversion reduces further enmity gains.
Lucid Dreaming vs Diversion

Also, im 99% sure Astral Fire completely shuts off all mana regen - even from lucid or a bards refresh.

Didn't realise this was the case. So decided to jump on my BLM, throw on Lucid Dreaming as a role action, go to the striking dummy in my front garden, Flare then Lucid. You're right, Lucid Dreaming doesn't work. Sorry, had to go and see this for myself because I thought for sure it worked and it was only DRK's Darkside that worked in the way you suggested. TIL...

[Frizze]

Yeah, Diversion is the one that reduces the threat you generate. Lucid is the one that dumps half the enmity you currently have. Also, im 99% sure Astral Fire completely shuts off all mana regen - even from lucid or a bards refresh. So it would only help with that if you somehow cast down to less then a blizzard cast worth of mp and werent in the fire stance(where you would transpose as Mystery said). Otherwise Kaiva you had it right. Fire spells to damage(ideally with thunder dot ticking), switch(transpose/B3) to ice to regen, then back again. Oh, and no. Its entirely possible they wouldnt have had lucid as an option anyway. It unlocks as a roll action at level 24.

Source: Also main BLM.

[Mysterysword]

Lucid is the one that dumps half the enmity you currently have. Also, im 99% sure Astral Fire completely shuts off all mana regen - even from lucid or a bards refresh.

I remember when SB first dropped and I was so happy about getting LD: Finally, another source of MP for me to squeeze in just one more Fire/Fire IV!

Then I realised it doesn't work.

[Anselmet]

Today I got Susano twice in trial roulette (once for myself and then went again with a friend). The first time in Susano I decided to go as my PLD for a quick que and ho boy did I wish I went healer or dps. No one was new yet no one knew mechs. People were dying left and right as if they had never seen the stack mech and I suddenly became the healer. My co-tank was a drk who seem to channel his inner Fray and was constantly raged and telling ppl how to do mechs while doing said mech. I honestly tip my hat off to him. We died bc eventually both healers were dead and Susano had a lot of health left. Try again, this time the dps get their shit together but the two healers still do not understand the meaning of stacking nor that they should be avoiding the puddles. At one time the sch literally revived and no healing was attempted to keep said sch alive as Uikich(sp) began to go off. I clemency once, twice, sch stays alive with less than 500 hp and finally either her co healer ast decided now would be a good time to hit that instant 'oh shit' button they have and cure the healer either that or the sch dumped their lustrates. We eventually make it with my Paladin keeping the healers alive and mostly myself alive.

Second time with Susano went worse. Same issue but I decided to go as drg. No one wanted to stack and no one could avoid puddles. For some odd reason one person ran off with the marker and then this started a trend where everyone else did. My friend was one of the healers and there was nothing they could do as people ran off to their deaths and never running back from the knock backs. I was the only one who used the wall to take the knock back. And even tho I am on drg, not once do I ever lock myself or get hit by anything avoidable. Best of all, my buddy tells the ot to tank the balls. They did not tank the balls. My friend the whm took each ball in the face to save some of the party. Mainly me (i popped blood for blood and second wind cuz I ain't going down easy) the tanks, and my friend survived. We disband after wiping a second time.

Either way, Susano is now my least fave primal to encounter in the df and I hope I don't see his mug for at least another week.

[Frizze]

I remember when SB first dropped and I was so happy about getting LD: Finally, another source of MP for me to squeeze in just one more Fire/Fire IV!

Then I realised it doesn't work.

I remember that day. /disappointed

[Meui]

Susano woes.

I got Susano for my Trial Roulette twice tonight, too. I'd joined in-prog and got into one that was less than 5m through. Same story, though. Some trouble stacking, people not getting out of the bad and healers not keeping up with heals/constantly dropping like flies, etc. I tried to keep MT and others healed/rezzed on RDM, but I eventually went OOM. 2-3 times. At some point someone asked the healer to LB3 but not a peep. It's not the first time I've seen someone shout for a healer LB3 and the healer either not respond or inform the PT they don't have their LB button slotted. We wiped twice, I think, before the party disbanded. I'd offered to try coming back on my AST after one of the healers bailed but when I queued into it less than 30s later, I found myself alone in the instance. Lawls. Fast-forward to an hour later, I decide to re-queue Trials Roulette... and I notice the same SAM in the original PT is in this one, too.

But she finally got her clear, woo!

- - - Here’s story numero two - - -

When a tank says they’re new to a dungeon, I usually don’t expect them to pull everything under the sun. Regardless, I do expect them to know how to manage their cooldowns and aggro—since that’s part of the job description. Wiped 3 times in Doma Castle before we even made it to the first boss. Wiped once more after we miraculously cleared the first boss. Tank told our pissed and very verbal BLM and the rest of us to “keep up” with him, even after our Noct AST informed him that they were pulling too much. Tank kept on doing it anyway, and by then I was already worn out. Had another near wipe right before second boss, with me having to solo a couple mobs (thankfully I was on RDM). We didn’t even bother after that and just ended up disbanding.

- - - But! - - -

Tonight I hopped into my Alliance roulette and got a 3m in-progress instance. I find out it’s Dun Scaith and the MT had dc’d, which resulted in a wipe (for whatever reason) and that led most of the raid to rage quit or something. Woo boy. A couple of us sat there for almost 10-15m watching people come and go, but we somehow filled most of the parties. An old friend of mine coincidentally plopped into one of the other PTs, which was a welcome surprise.

Turns out that would be one of the most pleasant and solid runs I’ve ever experienced in Dun Scaith. Tanks and healers were on point, DPS was fantastic, etc. So! Thank you guys for being patient and getting through it!

[Mysterysword]

I remember that day. /disappointed

The worst part is that Mage's Ballad and Ewers used to work for us, even while in AF, so it wasn't as if we should've expected any different for LD. But nope, the only useful part of LD is the enmity dump... Which, admittedly, I have had to use more than once. >_>

[RubixCube]

Set up a party finder for a first clear of Lakshmi Ex. Clearly specified that this was a First Clear and that beginners to the duty were welcome as a result. Still have a whole load of people rage quit when we died twice in five minutes, saying that we 'had no idea what we were doing' and that they didn't want to waste their time. No kidding, Sherlock, it was a first time clear! We all watched a video, but there's only so much you can learn from watching a tutorial.

Needless to say, we set up a second party finder, the next group were more accommodating, and we passed it first time.

[Taika]

Set up a party finder for a first clear of Lakshmi Ex. Clearly specified that this was a First Clear and that beginners to the duty were welcome as a result. Still have a whole load of people rage quit when we died twice in five minutes, saying that we 'had no idea what we were doing' and that they didn't want to waste their time. No kidding, Sherlock, it was a first time clear! We all watched a video, but there's only so much you can learn from watching a tutorial.

This might have been a question of misunderstanding the description. Based on my experience, a "clear" party in party finder means that everyone knows the fight 100% and has experienced it - they just haven't cleared it yet. So if I'm joining a clear party, this is what I'm expecting from it (definitely not people struggling with phase 1 mechanics). On the other hand, a "practice" party generally means people know the fight but aren't 100% confident with the mechanics, and need to practice them, either from beginning of the fight or from certain phase onwards. I don't know if this is a common way of naming PF groups in other data centres though, my experience is based on Phoenix server and Chaos data centre.

If I would create a group like you aimed to, I would write something like "Practice from beginning, but hoping to get the clear in the end! No experience needed but please have watched a guide." The more clearly you describe your expectations the likely you are to get a group that responds to them.