How PL'ing killed FFXIV.

[Teakwood]

Grinding isn't content.

Please edit your OP with actual positive suggestions along the lines of "incentives for players to enjoy a variety of the content" instead of just saying "bluh PLing ruins the game".

PLing is an opt-in situation, nobody -likes- mindlessly grinding, grinding isn't something to do or a reason to keep playing the game.

The reason to keep playing, between now and 2.0, is for the content that'll only be available before 2.0, and to be part of the game as it develops into 2.0. Honestly, I'd tell your friends to wait until 2.0 and pick the game up then, there's no shame in that. Subscriptions literally don't matter between now and 2.0; I just want to be in a good place once 2.0 hits such that I'll actually be able to do all the content immediately, and I'm interested in the pre-2.0 experience, even if there's not much to do at endgame yet.

[Zenaku]

Grinding isn't content.

Please edit your OP with actual positive suggestions along the lines of "incentives for players to enjoy a variety of the content" instead of just saying "bluh PLing ruins the game".

PLing is an opt-in situation, nobody -likes- mindlessly grinding, grinding isn't something to do or a reason to keep playing the game.

The reason to keep playing, between now and 2.0, is for the content that'll only be available before 2.0, and to be part of the game as it develops into 2.0. Honestly, I'd tell your friends to wait until 2.0 and pick the game up then, there's no shame in that. Subscriptions literally don't matter between now and 2.0; I just want to be in a good place once 2.0 hits such that I'll actually be able to do all the content immediately, and I'm interested in the pre-2.0 experience, even if there's not much to do at endgame yet.

Why do people keep thinking it's not? level is part of any MMO endgame is just something for you to do and hope for once you reach the end so please stop thinking level is not part of games if that was true then all mmo would not even have levels.

[weeble]

Why do people keep thinking it's not? level is part of any MMO endgame is just something for you to do and hope for once you reach the end so please stop thinking level is not part of games if that was true then all mmo would not even have levels.

right, they are slowly taking grinds away cause of people who think there shouldn't be grinds. but all your left with then is a offline game you pay monthly for. in fact it's a far worse version cause you have worse content, worse graphics, and story is usually better offline games too. your paying your monthly in the same way you would a rmt, they are just handing you everything so you just pay them and they thank you.

0 grind = it's not a mmo, that's like paying a monthly charge for a dvr cause it can record while you watch other stuff. ...get this our old vcr's prior to there creation already did that they just took that option out threw removing the tuners on them. then rewraped it to you again with a monthly. your welcome. lol

[Zenaku]

right, they are slowly taking grinds away cause of people who think there shouldn't be grinds. but all your left with then is a offline game you pay monthly for. in fact it's a far worse version cause you have worse content, worse graphics, and story is usually better offline games too. your paying your monthly in the same way you would a rmt, they are just handing you everything so you just pay them and they thank you.

0 grind = it's not a mmo, that's like paying a monthly charge for a dvr cause it can record while you watch other stuff. ...get this our old vcr's prior to there creation already did that they just took that option out threw removing the tuners on them. then rewraped it to you again with a monthly. your welcome. lol

Playing a offline game like fable when you reach the end there noting? there is no need for a grind becuase what the point? its offline. But in a online game i looking for something to do for 4-8hours if 4-8hours i gain 10+levels it going to take me less then 1week to get max level then what? Do the dungeon that the gear is pointless now? I'm level up crafting becuase at least that a grind.

I hope SE get it together listening to the player base with that mind set wont help out the game they just leave for something else that = less grind they need to listen to the core fanbase which going to stay with them for 6+years.

[Hachi-Roku]

Playing a offline game like fable when you reach the end there noting? there is no need for a grind becuase what the point? its offline. But in a online game i looking for something to do for 4-8hours if 4-8hours i gain 10+levels it going to take me less then 1week to get max level then what? Do the dungeon that the gear is pointless now? I'm level up crafting becuase at least that a grind.

I hope SE get it together listening to the player base with that mind set wont help out the game they just leave for something else that = less grind they need to listen to the core fanbase which going to stay with them for 6+years.

Their core fanbase is going to stay with them no matter what, it's particular people who have to always see numbers going up that might leave.