Liveblog JP - Yoshi P's 4.2 Housing Plan Discussion

[Dustytome]

Where do they say that? Only time I read they didn't want to reveal plans was because they didn't want to fuel speculation, not because they didn't want people to prepare.

Posted on page 6, but the interview was here.

[Scardon]

Ah yes. I must allow more replies per page than others since this thread only goes to 3 pages for me.

Preparing could also be leveling up alts, since they need to be of a certain level to be able to buy a house. More alts = more entries in a lottery. Apparently asking specifically about alts got lost in translation to thinking it was multiple accounts. Even if they decided to make it '1 house per server, per account' people could also roll alts on multiple servers to squat on those in preparation to flip.

Basically there are several ways to 'prepare' for a lottery as well.

[SendohJin]

Given their unwillingness to let us know what their plans are to keep us from preparing for new plots, a lottery seems unlikely. You can't really prepare for a randomized system like that.

yea, you can. what if you can do a lottery for yourself and your FC. wouldn't an FC mass recruit?

it really depends on how you think the lottery will work.

[Claviusnex]

Where do they say that? Only time I read they didn't want to reveal plans was because they didn't want to fuel speculation, not because they didn't want people to prepare.

However their lack of a clear statement of direction is fueling speculation.

[SendohJin]

However their lack of a clear statement of direction is fueling speculation.

there's 2 different definitions of speculation. the one you're talking about is not the one that YoshiP was talking about.

[Scardon]

there's 2 different definitions of speculation. the one you're talking about is not the one that YoshiP was talking about.

5.
engagement in business transactions involving considerable risk but offering the chance of large gains, especially trading in commodities, stocks, etc., in the hope of profit from changes in the market price.

This is the only other definition that is significantly different and doesn't apply. I wouldn't be forced to guess as to the second definition if you bothered to elaborate instead of posting the equivalent of 'WRONG'

[Millen1]

I have posted on this before. Any type of auction house would fail. Some of us have been around and crafting a long time and have a lot of gil, competing against players like me is pointless and would cause others to turn to rmt which would be an issue. As for 4.2 have a random timer starting 20 minutes after servers up to sell houses so everyone can log in. The timer will release all houses for sale over a 2 hour window of start to reduce that major server rush. I missed my dream house in 4.1 due to queue times. As for those with more than one house that don't flip, some of us were on servers that did not sell all housing when private houses came up for a long time. Hands off my second house, I have been here since beta and I play 4 characters. Allow all characters on our account to use the house. Increase number of guests we can have on our houses, I share both of my houses with others that do not have a house, including letting them decorate the house as they want, other than a small spot I took for myself for crafting. As for selling or losing a house, all houses go back to SE to be re sold by SE only. No private sales to a "friend". Players flipping houses are a pain and I am sure many here know who owns more than one house cause they love housing and those that buy housing solely to flip them. I know some that sub and log in every 40 days so they don't lose their house(not currently as auto demolish is stopped). Let them sell the house back to SE while they don't use it so they can get another house later when they come back to the game(assuming SE really adds enough housing). Last, please consider the number of players on a server and make enough housing to handle all but the mega servers. Why not enough on the high pop servers? Cause the low pop servers will have a lot of wasted housing space. Encourage players to change servers to get a house. You can play and chat with friends across servers now, so move if housing matters that much to you.

[SendohJin]

5.
engagement in business transactions involving considerable risk but offering the chance of large gains, especially trading in commodities, stocks, etc., in the hope of profit from changes in the market price.

This is the only other definition that is significantly different and doesn't apply. I wouldn't be forced to guess as to the second definition if you bothered to elaborate instead of posting the equivalent of 'WRONG'

couldn't of just used plain old google for your definition?

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.
"there has been widespread speculation that he plans to quit"
2.
investment in stocks, property, or other ventures in the hope of gain but with the risk of loss.
"the company's move into property speculation"

it's right there in the sample "property speculation", since this is about the purchase of property it totally applies. even your definition can apply (even though property is hidden under "etc"), that's exactly what they don't want.

[Scardon]

couldn't of just used plain old google for your definition?

Couldn't have done it yourself in your first reply?

it's right there in the sample "property speculation", since this is about the purchase of property it totally applies. even your definition can apply (even though property is hidden under "etc"), that's exactly what they don't want.

Unless some how buying current houses, when the problem is they are all sold, would result in an issue with the new system no, it doesn't apply. Just because we are talking about property in a game and the definition also has property as an example doesn't mean they are related. You have to sync up a lot more than a game of 'match 2'

The only way it might is him announcing something makes house flippers more aggressively sell houses because they are about to lose their investments with a new system. In which case simply saying he doesn't want THIS kind of 'speculation' confirms that on its own. So by saying if he reveals the system it will fuel property speculation he is actually still fueling property speculation. Its like saying "if I reveal my companies plans for the future the stock will drop severely," thus having the stock drop severely.

[SendohJin]

Couldn't have done it yourself in your first reply?

I could have but I overestimated the internet skills of the people that would respond to my post. My bad.

So by saying if he reveals the system it will fuel property speculation he is actually still fueling property speculation. Its like saying "if I reveal my companies plans for the future the stock will drop severely," thus having the stock drop severely.

Nope, your quote is wrong
"if I reveal my companies plans for the future the stock will drop severely,"

This is more accurate:
"if I reveal my companies plans for the future the stock will change"

There's no hint of rising or dropping and the type of speculation is very different if you can't tell if prices will drop or rise. That's why they don't put items and recipe lists on prelim patch notes. Sometimes a mat gets added to a recipe and the price skyrockets, sometimes it gets added to like Company Seals and the price tanks. saying changes are coming does not automatically trigger actions if you are vague about what the changes are.