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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAngelneer View Post
    Yes, the poster does mention those situations.

    The particular phrase that started the discussion is presented at the end of their post, on a separate paragraph, which means it is a new set of logical constructions that, in context, provide both:
    Are we honestly going to ignore that the post in question could've simply put it on a separate paragraph incorrectly? It's not as if every single person is as picky about their wording and grammar as you are. At this point your interpretation is simply just that, your interpretation. It goes against the grain with what others read, which was someone at first speaking of situations where the usual law of "tanks must tank mobs period" is not met, followed by the slippery slope of "you don't have to tank everything," which is an incredibly broad term. Regardless of a separation of paragraphs, you cannot seriously act as if the two statements are completely unrelated. You cannot seriously argue that the person meant solely specific situations where it is advantageous not to tank something, cannot be tanked, or dies too quickly to be worth tanking. Their post never asserted, hinted to, or even implied any of that. Even in any post following, it was not brought up. You were the one person who brought this up, and the only thing that ultimately irked you was that people said you "should tank everything." You're not stupid, you knew that people meant you should aim to tank as much as possible when deemed necessary, but they simply said it as broad as possible because the original post implied that one does not have to tank even when it is necessary. That is even specifically why I said the post hurt to read. Tanks should tank everything unless they can't, and should avoid tanking things once they can work on their optimization when they know they don't have to, like low HP targets. I do not need a new player reading that post and saying, "oh, it's not that bad if I let a mob go when I'm doing a pull against trash and just let it hit the DPS the entire time then." The same way like with the AoE example, that I would not want someone reading that and saying "ah screw it so I can just stand in this whenever I please."

    The fact of the matter is that you read the original post one way and that other people read it another way. You are nitpicking based in interpretation.

    Edit: Also, it is not my "ideal," I regularly try to optimize as often as I can. I agree with you that some mobs just aren't meant to be tanked. I was simply addressing that the point you are making is not present in the original post at all aside from you reading the implication from a single sentence and nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    I would not want someone reading that and saying
    Then the problem here is you reading something and trying to guess what people are supposedly trying to say, as opposed to what they are saying, and projecting that behavior to other people.

    If someone categorically states "yes it is your job to do thing X. I cannot even believe this is up for debate." then that is exactly what I understand out of it, and not that they actually mean "you should try to do X but not really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAngelneer View Post
    Then the problem here is you reading something and trying to guess what people are supposedly trying to say, as opposed to what they are saying, and projecting that behavior to other people.

    If someone categorically states "yes it is your job to do thing X. I cannot even believe this is up for debate." then that is exactly what I understand out of it, and not that they actually mean "you should try to do X but not really.
    I did not guess what they were trying to say. Reading the entire post and its context, it's very clear to me what they are saying. I am not singling out that one sentence, but reading the entire post as a whole. It keeps sounding as if you are singling that sentence out, or simply addressing it as if that sentence is only being singled out and nothing more. Sure, if I read that sentence by itself, and singled itself out, I'd be guessing, but I'm not. The only reason I singled it out in my original post was because I could not be bothered specifically nitpicking their entire post about how I felt. It was their opinion so I had no reason to prove them "wrong," but I could not deny that it hurt to read in the entire context of the post. Just because you disagree with how I read it, doesn't mean I am "guessing."

    I will concede about the "cannot believe this is up to debate" thing though.
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    Last edited by Oscura; 11-15-2017 at 02:24 PM. Reason: grammar/spelling