A humble request to Square Enix: please unlock Gilgamesh.

[Oscura]

Heresay?

Notice your own post to your poll shows 84 in Balmung's favor to 14 for Gilgamesh. The difference is staggering. Even if you were to somehow increase those numbers based on scale, the amount of roleplayers who play on Gilgamesh in this hypothetical is 16% of those that roleplay on Balmung. Now take into account the fact that the lifespan of roleplaying on Gilgamesh hardly even lasted to make any meaningful impact on the server or actually make a mark. If you ask the average player of Gilgamesh or even the average player period, no one associates Gilgamesh with roleplaying. This is not ignorance, it's simply because roleplaying is almost non-existent here. You being on Balmung even proves my point, which is that the whole "Gilgamesh as a RP server," thing didn't last very long. Even if you were never here or moved in the first place.

The small numbers on the poll also ultimately show that anything regarding Gilgamesh being bloated because of roleplay is either hearsay or purely anecdotal, because FFXIV-roleplayers is a minority of a minority. Forum posters on the official forums are already a minority, what do you think forum posters on a fansite are? I'm just posting in reply that Gilgamesh has NOTHING to do with Balmung and roleplayer's gripes with no official roleplay server, and to not pretend that our server became bloated because of roleplayers or that roleplaying had any substantial influence on the state of our server. It's just false information and you're pushing your agenda. Even if you read those forums posts they're from before the game even launched and far, far before Gilgamesh had a large or bloated population. Gilgamesh only started to become a problem around the era of second coil, and at that point most roleplayers had left Gilgamesh. So yes, hearsay.

[Aster_E]

If the main argument that the devs have for locking Greg is the loads of character data just taking up space--think of this like having someone's computer's hard drive so full of programs, cat pictures, and porn that the system is slowed down despite the vast majority of data not being used--then we can all raise a number of questions, I think.

More than that, I can suggest yet again that they look into the character data for obvious RMTs that haven't been used in 2+ years, and then purging that data from the server. I had removed a couple dozen names or more from my blacklist in the last few months, and can't remember them or I'd list a few examples of such obvious non-names belonging to RMTs, so I know the data is still sitting there taking up space. If it wasn't there then the names would have read either "Deleted" or "Unable to Retrieve" when I cleaned up my blacklist to include only names I'm not too sure about. I mean, heck, "Consphasfasxzv Weaver" would very well have just been a short-lived douche, for all I know, despite their first name being close to obvious.

I remember even reporting a lot of these names back when they advertised, around the time I blacklisted them, but nothing apparent came of it. <_<

[Xerek]

Notice your own post to your poll shows 84 in Balmung's favor to 14 for Gilgamesh. The difference is staggering. Even if you were to somehow increase those numbers based on scale, the amount of roleplayers who play on Gilgamesh in this hypothetical is 16% of those that roleplay on Balmung. Now take into account the fact that the lifespan of roleplaying on Gilgamesh hardly even lasted to make any meaningful impact on the server or actually make a mark. If you ask the average player of Gilgamesh or even the average player period, no one associates Gilgamesh with roleplaying. This is not ignorance, it's simply because roleplaying is almost non-existent here. You being on Balmung even proves my point, which is that the whole "Gilgamesh as a RP server," thing didn't last very long. Even if you were never here or moved in the first place.

The small numbers on the poll also ultimately show that anything regarding Gilgamesh being bloated because of roleplay is either hearsay or purely anecdotal, because FFXIV-roleplayers is a minority of a minority. Forum posters on the official forums are already a minority, what do you think forum posters on a fansite are? I'm just posting in reply that Gilgamesh has NOTHING to do with Balmung and roleplayer's gripes with no official roleplay server, and to not pretend that our server became bloated because of roleplayers or that roleplaying had any substantial influence on the state of our server. It's just false information and you're pushing your agenda. Even if you read those forums posts they're from before the game even launched and far, far before Gilgamesh had a large or bloated population. Gilgamesh only started to become a problem around the era of second coil, and at that point most roleplayers had left Gilgamesh. So yes, hearsay.

*sigh*

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthr...ight=Gilgamesh

"What's less normal and expected is that now that the vote is behind us and we have two official (well official for the RPC, still non official for Squeenix) servers, people still fight over which is "best". Every time a new player comes around and asks, you see people trying to pull them one side or the other."

Look, you want to put your head in the sand and claim Gilgamesh was never picked as a sister server to Balmung, that's your call. Doesn't change what actually happened. Saying Gilgamesh didn't bloat because of RPers is akin to saying the moon landing didn't happen. I've provided the site and multiple links. I was there when it happened. >.<

Oh, found the actual poll selecting Greg...

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthr...ight=Gilgamesh

[Oscura]

Look, you want to put your head in the sand and claim Gilgamesh was never picked as a sister server to Balmung, that's your call. Doesn't change what actually happened. Saying Gilgamesh didn't bloat because of RPers is akin to saying the moon landing didn't happen. I've provided the site and multiple links. I was there when it happened. >.<

Gilgamesh was for a very, very short amount of time a "RP server.".

It's like you people don't even read anymore. I never said it was never picked, I said it never lasted. I was also there when it happened, I was on Balmung since early access. I specifically left Balmung for Gilgamesh to get away from roleplayers in their entirety. It was incredibly successful, I might add. I don't dislike roleplayers mind you, roleplaying is just not my cup of tea. I am simply telling you not to act as if, because in 2013, people were trying to make Gilgamesh a roleplay server, that to this day they are a driving force as to why the server piled up and became so bloated. It really wasn't. I've been here for three years and unlike Balmung, I've never seen a single person roleplaying in public and most search infos don't even mention roleplaying at all.

[Aster_E]

I was there when it happened. >.<

As was I. I was also there when the RP community on Greg started to dwindle. Yes we still have RPers, both erotic and otherwise, but not like we used to towards the end of ARR.

Also, it wasn't quite so much about raiders kicking them out--some raiders even participated in it as something to do that wasn't going AFK in Rev Toll--as it was one creepy, painfully awkward guy (let's call him Aydenn Muun'muun since I don't like naming names) that ruined the experience so much for everyone that they left. Then he left Greg, and eventually came back. By that point the RP community of Greg was no longer worth mention. Yes it really happened.

[Xerek]

It's like you people don't even read anymore. I never said it was never picked, I said it never lasted. I was also there when it happened, I was on Balmung since early access. I specifically left Balmung for Gilgamesh to get away from roleplayers in their entirety. It was incredibly successful, I might add. I don't dislike roleplayers mind you, roleplaying is just not my cup of tea. I am simply telling you not to act as if, because in 2013, people were trying to make Gilgamesh a roleplay server, that to this day they are a driving force as to why the server piled up and became so bloated. It really wasn't. I've been here for three years and unlike Balmung, I've never seen a single person roleplaying in public and most search infos don't even mention roleplaying at all.

And I know a good number of active RPs are Gilgamesh. You don't see them because they RP in private, in FC houses and out in remote parts of the world. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they're not there. Balmung and Gilgamesh were the two unofficial RP servers at the launch of ARR and also the first/only two initially locked, and you're actually going to tell me that is a coincidence and the RP population had nothing to do with it?

Whatever. My initial post was to explain that Balmung and Gilgamesh do indeed have things in common beyond high populations. I provided multiple links proving that true. If you want to handwave it, that's your perogative, but at least you know why others will talk about them as if they were siblings.

[Oscura]

And I know a good number of active RPs are Gilgamesh. You don't see them because they RP in private, in FC houses and out in remote parts of the world.

I have literally never seen a single person roleplaying in Gilgamesh except in private, like basically any other server.

This actually hurts me on a spiritual level. It's almost like I said that or something. Every server has its small communities that roleplay, Gilgamesh is not special.

Whatever. My initial post was to explain that Balmung and Gilgamesh do indeed have things in common beyond high populations. I provided multiple links proving that true. If you want to handwave it, that's your perogative, but at least you know why others will talk about them as if they were siblings.

They had something in common. I'm not handwaving it, I'm just saying that just because people decided at the very beginning of this game's lifespan to try and make Gilgamesh a second roleplay server, that it remained that way. People do not talk about them as if they are siblings because of roleplay, but because of their data center and massive size. The only people who could possibly even come up with that comparison regarding roleplaying is either people who were there, like us, when the game was first starting out, or roleplayers who know people who were there, or strictly roleplayers. Roleplayers are not the majority, there is a reason they usually have their own servers in other games. So the majority of people do not associate the two servers because of the roleplaying, no matter how much you repeat it.

Though yes, continue telling someone who has been in Gilgamesh for years how their server became overpopulated because of roleplaying, despite the fact that they've not seen an active roleplay community or people roleplaying in public spaces ever since they've arrived here. It's amazing how people who aren't even in this server try to tell us how it operates or why things are, or even how they should be. Dumbfounding, really.

[Xerek]

This actually hurts me on a spiritual level. It's almost like I said that or something. Every server has its small communities that roleplay, Gilgamesh is not special.



They had something in common. I'm not handwaving it, I'm just saying that just because people decided at the very beginning of this game's lifespan to try and make Gilgamesh a second roleplay server, that it remained that way. People do not talk about them as if they are siblings because of roleplay, but because of their data center and massive size. The only people who could possibly even come up with that comparison regarding roleplaying is either people who were there, like us, when the game was first starting out, or roleplayers who know people who were there, or strictly roleplayers. Roleplayers are not the majority, there is a reason they usually have their own servers in other games. So the majority of people do not associate the two servers because of the roleplaying, no matter how much you repeat it.

Though yes, continue telling someone who has been in Gilgamesh for years how their server became overpopulated because of roleplaying, despite the fact that they've not seen an active roleplay community or people roleplaying in public spaces ever since they've arrived here. It's amazing how people who aren't even in this server try to tell us how it operates or why things are, or even how they should be. Dumbfounding, really.

Yes, I mean I have no way of knowing what Gilgamesh is like if I'm not there. It's not like I talk daily with roleplaying friends that moved to Gilgamesh when ARR launched, or the friends I made the brief time I was there. It's not like those friends could possible tell me, on a daily basis, what Gilgamesh is like. Dumbfounding, really. :eyeroll:

...actualy, I'm done in this thread. My original post did what I wanted it to do. If you, a non-RPer, want to tell me you know perfectly the exact state of RP on Greg, that it doesn't exist despite my talking to Greg RPers daily, there is nothing else I could say that would accomplish anything. Believe whatever you want.

[Oscura]

Yes, I mean I have no way of knowing what Gilgamesh is like if I'm not there. It's not like I talk daily with roleplaying friends that moved to Gilgamesh when ARR launched, or the friends I made the brief time I was there. It's not like those friends could possible tell me, on a daily basis, what Gilgamesh is like. Dumbfounding, really. :eyeroll:

...actualy, I'm done in this thread. My original post did what I wanted it to do. If you, a non-RPer, want to tell me you know perfectly the exact state of RP on Greg, that it doesn't exist despite my talking to Greg RPers daily, there is nothing else I could say that would accomplish anything. Believe whatever you want.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anecdotal

Your petty sarcasm aside, I implore you to read this thread in proper. The very, very few amount of posts aside from yours regarding roleplay all mention the same thing. "Dying," RP community on greg. "Dead," community on greg. The difference between them and I? They roleplay. I trust their word because they're more ingrained in the RP community and just like you, I have friends on Gilgamesh who roleplay. They've all said the same thing, that any sort of serious roleplay community simply does not exist within Gilgamesh and instead it's just small, small groups as with every other server not named Mateus and Balmung.

I'm not even going to bother going into detail that every post regarding Balmung being locked complains about fracturing the roleplay community and how every roleplayer wants to go there, or how it's the only place to properly roleplay in a community setting. Neither how basically every post about Gilgamesh has never included any sort of complaint regarding roleplaying or how it stagnates within our server.

Fact of the matter is that you can go anywhere and see that Balmung is a roleplayer server. It breathes with the life of constant chatter and walk ups, a good portion if not a majority of the players have their roleplay info or even whether or not they take walk ups in their search info. You would have to be actually blind to not know. Meanwhile, Gilgamesh, someone could go their entire FFXIV lifespan completely ignorant that it exists on this server. That is my point. You just cannot compare the two. The fact that you act as if I have to be a roleplayer to know how "alive," roleplaying is on Gilgamesh even shows how small it truly is. If roleplay was bustling and big as you make it sound, a non roleplayer would eventually catch wind of it.

[Eclair_Xysha]

Gilgamesh is my home as well. I have a number of friends that couldn't get in because of the servers being locked. So the ones that are already in Gilgamesh, they left the server to help our newbie friends out in the game because PF was not enough to keep it all together trying to show them the game.

I just want all of my friends back :c

Maybe suggest a way to have a Gilgamesh pass for recruit a friend? And for people who had a history of staying in Gilgamesh, can also have an optional pass to come back?