Liveblog JP - Yoshi P's 4.2 Housing Plan Discussion

[Awha]

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You still have yet to provide at argument, you pretty much are just telling me you bought the houses before the transfers. I get you want to keep all your plots, and I want to keep mine. Though I simply cannot for the life of me see a reason as to why SE will allow it though. Not looking at other solution since we all know they will not do a mixture of instance / ward housing by 4.2.

The housing system as it stands will always be unfair, but looking at this without bias. Please tell which would you prefer. Where every plot is owned by a unique account, or a system were four people own half a ward?

As it has been said the current system will never be perfect, but from the outside in I have to go with the former. Granted I do not care enough to take action myself, and since I do not have to. You are right it is my opinion, but I do not know, I feel as if many would be hard pressed to convince someone that the former is the better option.

The latter option is based around the group I hang with. Our goal was to try and buy an entire ward, at the time we did not have that kind of gil. Also did not help that I started farming gil a tad later then the rest so was unable to buy that many.

Yeah we did not break any rules, still does not change the fact that if SE servers can only handle the strain of the releasing one ward for each area on each server, do you guys really think they will let us keep multiple plots. Know the messed up part? We are probably the minority. I mean in one of your posts in another thread Sin you mention how you at times get hate tells.

If SE held a poll limiting plots would win by a landslide. You may not think it is unfair, pretty sure more people do then don't so I am going to put my money SE does something to cater to those people without actuality fixing the problem they are just going to toss a bandaid on it.

[Siniztor]

You still have yet to provide at argument, you pretty much are just telling me you bought the houses before the transfers. I get you want to keep all your plots, and I want to keep mine. Though I simply cannot for the life of me see a reason as to why SE will allow it though. Not looking at other solution since we all know they will not do a mixture of instance / ward housing by 4.2.

The housing system as it stands will always be unfair, but looking at this without bias. Please tell which would you prefer. Where every plot is owned by a unique account, or a system were four people own half a ward?

As it has been said the current system will never be perfect, but from the outside in I have to go with the former. Granted I do not care enough to take action myself, and since I do not have to. You are right it is my opinion, but I do not know, I feel as if many would be hard pressed to convince someone that the former is the better option.

The latter option is based around the group I hang with. Our goal was to try and buy an entire ward, at the time we did not have that kind of gil.

with out bias i can say both. As long as the home owners followed all the rules i dont care if 2 ppl own a ward or each house is a differnt account. if you put in the time to level and earn your gil buy the houses.
The most important thing is you follow the rules. If you use RMT you need to be banned, If you bot you need to banned.

Se put rules in front of us we followed them. taken houses away because you or anyone else thinks its unfair is wrong.punishing people for following rules is not right. Its up to Se to supply enough houses.

I see nothing wrong with groups from a fc owning a ward it sure makes gardening runs easyer lol back 9 months ago my fc owned 11 plots in one ward. we wernt trying to own a ward we were trying to make garden runs easyer since we were running 17+ gardens growing vegi minions onions and other crosses.

Edit: My argument is stright forward by following the rules im allowed to own multi houses and have been able to since personal houses came in the game 3 years+ now.

See the differnce between you and i is i use my houses i play 1 char per day next day switch so at lest minium 2days a week im useing each house most the time in every house each day due to gardening n what not. Where as you have admitted to being just a hoarder who barley uses your houses

[Kuroka]

Well and now SE changes those rules, or maybe not, its not more unfair then auto demolish or ppl buying gil to get houses for billions of gil...

[Awha]

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Glad we were able to cash in on the Flying Chair Mount hype before it tanked. The systems are unfair, but you have admit the former option benefits more people, so clearly your answer still has a hint of bias. We followed the rules and we should not be punished for it, but if I was in SE position and had a limit as to what I could do in the moment, I would go with the option that would have the most impact overall. No matter how you cut it the latter option does provide more.

Or do you deny that?

Well and now SE changes those rules, or maybe not, its not more unfair then auto demolish or ppl buying gil to get houses for billions of gil...

If they do change those rules I highly doubt they will just grandfather in those that own multiple plots, unless they shock us and do a whole rework making this discussion moot since they came to their senses and did a mix of both ward / instance plots and expandable apartments.

[Siniztor]

Well and now SE changes those rules, or maybe not, its not more unfair then auto demolish or ppl buying gil to get houses for billions of gil...

Taken away houses from people who followed your rules is way differnt then auto demo.. Losing a house to auto demo cause you didnt go in it in 45 days is the way the rules for it works.when it was put it the rules were laid out go in your house once every 45 days or lose it.

[Siniztor]

Glad we were able to cash in on the Flying Chair Mount hype before it tanked.The systems are unfair, but you have admit the former option benefits more people, so clearly your answer still has a hint of bias. We followed the rules and we should not be punished for it, but if I was in SE position and had a limit as to what I could do in the moment, I would go with the option that would have the most impact overall. No matter how you cut it the latter option does provide more.

Or do you deny that?

1- i have no flippen clue what your talking about here since i haven;t sold 1 chair. i did how ever grow cloud seeds for every member of my fc who wanted achair think ive made 9. But i have not cashed in on any thing with the chair not sure what ya assuming there.
Heck im sitting with 2 chairs banked and 72 feathers ready for fc member who want a chair or give aways lol then again i have 11 sets of vegi minions banked and 20+ of each seeds for stuff vegi minions for fc members

2- i cant speak for Se will or wont do, but i can say the headlines would sure look bad for Se taking away from people who followed your rules just cause you cant supply enough of what you advertised.. Robbing from peter to give to paul should not even be a option

[Awha]

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Sorry English is not my forte was just making a friendly remark in regard to using multiple plots for gardening, so I made a slide remark since that is what my friends and I did we used all of our plots to cash in on the flying chair mount hype. No need to be hostile.

I just do not see why you are dodging the question, being called selfish is not a horrible thing, we are human by nature we are selfish so no need to get hostile towards. Though the fact you are willing to say that an option that would provide for the most people in equal to one that limits is sort of funny all because we followed the rules.

The system is not perfect, and the options I provided are not perfect, but those are the two options that can work with the current system.

This is going nowhere though, you will defend your position and I will defend mine, though not going to lie you do have to admit it is funny that you seem to have gotten slightly annoyed at the prospect of someone calling you selfish yet you defend oppose an option that provides for a resource for the most people. Given the current limitations SE has stated with the servers and what not. Limiting per account / server allows it so the most amount of people get a plot. The current system does not.

[Siniztor]

Sorry English is not my forte was just making a friendly remark in regard to using multiple plots for gardening, so I made a slide remark since that is what my friends and I did we used all of our plots to cash in on the flying chair mount hype. No need to be hostile.

I just do not see why you are dodging the question, being called selfish is not a horrible thing, we are human by nature we are selfish so no need to get hostile towards. Though the fact you are willing to say that an option that would provide for the most people in equal to one that limits is sort of funny all because we followed the rules.

The system is not perfect, and the options I provided are not perfect, but those are the two options that can work with the current system.

No those are the 2 options you have come up with heres a 3rd. SE spends some money buys more servers and opens 30 more wards per city bring the total number of houses to 10,080 per server, add more wards to the higher pop servers if needed..

This is the problem with game companys, is clients will sit back and settle and they know it..if everyone who didn't have a house cancelled there membership at once including fc's and all the members in them. bet they add more wards fast lol

SE started this fire storm with its free transfers and the far east themed housing. untill the day they opened free transfers less then half the people cared now all of a sudden its omg you selfish pigs lol

And as far as gardens i own 3 smalls so no big advange there

[Awha]

No those are the 2 options you have come up with heres a 3rd. SE spends some money buys more servers and opens 30 more wards per city bring the total number of houses to 10,080 per server, add more wards to the higher pop servers if needed..

This is the problem with game companys, is clients will sit back and settle and they know it..if everyone who didn't have a house cancelled there membership at once including fc's and all the members in them. bet they add more wards fast lol

SE started this fire storm with its free transfers and the far east themed housing. untill the day they opened free transfers less then half the people cared now all of a sudden its omg you selfish pigs lol

And as far as gardens i own 3 smalls so no big advange there

We all would like that option, but if that was a valid option from SE point of view they would have done that ages ago. Many people have been asking for a split instance / ward system. Doubt it they will do something so massive by 4.2, and you are right if people voted with their wallet SE would find a way to do something like that by 4.2, but doubt such a mass exodus will happen.

I get where you are coming from, popped my head into novice network on an alt someone brought up housing and a few names were dropped. The people were not happy to say the least haha.

[Siniztor]

We all would like that option, but if that was a valid option from SE point of view they would have done that ages ago. Many people have been asking for a split instance / ward system. Doubt it they will do something so massive by 4.2, and you are right if people voted with their wallet SE would find a way to do something like that by 4.2, but doubt such a mass exodus will happen.

yea i know and remeberSE has not once mentioned taking away houses people currently own that is all player fuled with pitch forks..they have stated more wards are coming and a new way to buy them and also Yoshi in his latest statement said dont worry they wont sell out fast