Liveblog JP - Yoshi P's 4.2 Housing Plan Discussion

[Rinuko]

RIP us that is what will happen to us that own multiple plots per server. I know it is unfair owning multiple plots per server, but I will not relinquish said plots until SE forces me to.

Yeah I will not release my plot until I'm forced and they need to give us something in return since we did not break any TOS or rules for buying houses on alts. As an alt is a character no matter how you put it.

Unfair? Maybe. Did we break rules? No, saw a plot available i purchased

[Claviusnex]

I only own one house. I don't consider it unfair, inequitable maybe, that some players own multiple houses as the game allows that to happen. So while the system is unfair I see no reason for the resolution to penalize those players that have played by the rules.

[Awha]

Yeah I will not release my plot until I'm forced and they need to give us something in return since we did not break any TOS or rules for buying houses on alts. As an alt is a character no matter how you put it.

Unfair? Maybe. Did we break rules? No, saw a plot available i purchased

We can try to defend our actions till we are blue in the face, but everyone that owns multiple knows that it is unfair, but we do not care though clearly the community does. Now would I love to keep my all my homes on my server? Most diffidently. Will they let us? I do not think so. Seems like SE is hard pressed on space at the moment so only makes sense to limit the amount of plots a account may own on a server. Thing is SE does not have to give us anything or even provide warning, I just hope they do.

End of the day we are kidding ourselves if we think SE is not going to change their policy when it comes to housing, we are going to lose our multiple plots and outside of buying another account I really do not see anyway around it. So RIP us, but it is about time. Now they just need to add rank decay so I have a reason to PvP after getting a decent rank during the initial rush. Even if it is not in the ToS we know what we are doing is messed up, and if the shoe was on the other foot we prob would feel the same. Though I simply do not care enough to act on it, but I can see and admit when I am being a dick, and hording plots that I barely use is being dick. So if SE wants to free up some plots best start enforcing some new rules. When they do end up limiting plots I would love to see the data on how many plots were freed up per server.

[Dustytome]

Thinking over more what was recently said, perhaps they are going to limit housing per account and grandfather people with multiples into the system? If they said something that would allow someone to prepare (buy up more houses) and once the system is set in place it's too late. Purely speculation of course and perhaps they've got other plans or additional plans for housing acquisition. We likely won't know until the complete patch notes are up during maintenance if they want to keep anyone from getting a running start. They might just leave the housing demo timer off until then to stave off further acquisition.

[Titor]

My personal thought is that they are going to require a permit bought with achievement certificates - that new thing that was added recently tied to your achievement points. You might have to buy an item like a "housing voucher" That you have to present alongside the gil to buy a house. If it required 50 achievement certificates (2500 or so achievement points) to buy the housing voucher, it would stop unplayed alts who just boosted/botted to 50 from buying a house, yet would still give an opportunity for people with very active alts or multiple mains to get a house if they put work/effort into getting achievements on them. Since achievement certificates aren't really used for much right now, and is a fairly good indicator of activity/commitment to the character, I could see this being a direction they go.

[Maero]

Well they care not to actually re-work the housing system but are standing strong on using wards which will always be problematic.
I still do not see why and many of us have stated this a billion times myself included, that why not have mixed instanced and non instanced.

I do question however if the servers can handle it tbh, but something worthwhile needs to be done.
The statement "fair" should never be used by them until they have real solutions

[Siniztor]

We can try to defend our actions till we are blue in the face, but everyone that owns multiple knows that it is unfair, but we do not care though clearly the community does. Now would I love to keep my all my homes on my server? Most diffidently. Will they let us? I do not think so. Seems like SE is hard pressed on space at the moment so only makes sense to limit the amount of plots a account may own on a server. Thing is SE does not have to give us anything or even provide warning, I just hope they do.

End of the day we are kidding ourselves if we think SE is not going to change their policy when it comes to housing, we are going to lose our multiple plots and outside of buying another account I really do not see anyway around it. So RIP us, but it is about time. Now they just need to add rank decay so I have a reason to PvP after getting a decent rank during the initial rush. Even if it is not in the ToS we know what we are doing is messed up, and if the shoe was on the other foot we prob would feel the same. Though I simply do not care enough to act on it, but I can see and admit when I am being a dick, and hording plots that I barely use is being dick. So if SE wants to free up some plots best start enforcing some new rules. When they do end up limiting plots I would love to see the data on how many plots were freed up per server.

Please speak for your self and not include at lest me. Ive had my houses for a year wile 200+ houses sat empty for a year to the point every house had dropped in price as low as it will go. So i do not feel its unfair i own 3 houses. i payed to move where the houses were and got houses.

For 3 years there has been empty plots anyone could of moved if they really wanted a house as there top priority.

The only reason there is a house shortage on my server and the only reason we have people flipping houses is ... SE gave out free transfers. if they wouldn't of did free transfers my server would still have 100's of houses.

You may barely use your plots and thats you.If you dont use your plots then your a hoarder and dont need them, But my wife and I play all 3 of our characters weekly using every house we have we dont play the same character each day. i probly use my houses more then alot of people who own one house.and looking through the wards mine sure are deco alot better since most have gc junk and thats it lol

In the end please just speak for your self. cause not everyone feels the way you do

[Awha]

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Defend it all you want there is no reasonable argument to be made that is not based around the desire to protect what they already have. Please if you can come up with a reasonable argument as to why the one person should be able to own multiple plots on the same server, that is not based around buying them when wards were empty or one character is a different entity and should not be lumped together with the entire account, I am all ears.

Every argument we have made to keep our multiple plots has always been a selfish one, and that in itself proves that deep down we know what we are doing is unfair, we simply do not care enough to do anything about it. So SE has to.

I get it the notion of the housing system in itself is unfair in itself, but look at it this way. If my plots were on your server, between us we would own eight plots. Please tell me how that is fair? I do get where you are coming from, I bought my plots back when whole wards were empty. Still even an asshole like myself is not dense enough to see when something is unfair.


Without a system that either creates new wards as one fills up or instance housing no system will be fair, and I get many of us who own multiple plots bought them long before free transfers back when entire wards were empty. It is not fair for those that already own the plots, but as things are it is not fair for those that are without plots. The pill of not owning a home would be easier for many swallow if they knew each plot was owned by a unique account. I am sure they would still prefer expanding apartments or instance housing, but we all know that will not happen by 4.2.

Thanks to the road to 60 buff I already have characters that meet the current requirements to buy plots on other servers, granted I will not be able Shirogane plots on most of them, but yeah so unless SE does something to prevent this I have no reason not to.

Well they care not to actually re-work the housing system but are standing strong on using wards which will always be problematic.
I still do not see why and many of us have stated this a billion times myself included, that why not have mixed instanced and non instanced.

I do question however if the servers can handle it tbh, but something worthwhile needs to be done.
The statement "fair" should never be used by them until they have real solutions

I really wish that is what they would do, make it so apartments can be expanded and add some access to an outdoor garden for those with an apartment. We all know if it makes sense it is probably not on SE radar yet. They are going to go with a knee jerk reaction which is to place a limit.

[Siniztor]

Defend it all you want there is no reasonable argument to be made that is not based around the desire to protect what they already have. Please if you can come up with a reasonable argument as to why the one person should be able to own multiple plots on the same server, that is not based around buying them when wards were empty or one character is a different entity and should not be lumped together with the entire account, I am all ears.

Every argument we have made to keep our multiple plots has always been a selfish one, and that in itself proves that deep down we know what we are doing is unfair, we simply do not care enough to do anything about it. So SE has to.

I get it the notion of the housing system in itself is unfair in itself, but look at it this way. If my plots were on your server, between us we would own eight plots. Please tell me how that is fair? I do get where you are coming from, I bought my plots back when whole wards were empty. Still even an asshole like myself is not dense enough to see when something is unfair.


Without a system that either creates new wards as one fills up or instance housing no system will be fair, and I get many of us who own multiple plots bought them long before free transfers back when entire wards were empty. It is not fair for those that already own the plots, but as things are it is not fair for those that are without plots. Fairly certain the pill of not owning a home would be easier for many swallow if they knew each plot was owned by a unique account. I am sure they would still prefer expanding apartments or instance housing, but we all know that will not happen by 4.2.

Thanks to the road to 60 buff I already have characters that meet the current requirements to buy plots on other servers, granted I will not be able Shirogane plots on most of them, but yeah so unless SE does something to prevent this I have no reason not to.

Please tell me how this is selfish. Its not, its true, at lest for me my characters they are differnt.

Fair?? So you honestly think its fair to pay extra for 8 characters to only have the right to own a house on one, So 7 of my characters cant have a house cause SE can't supply enough houses for everyone. Theres 2 account types 1 says 1 character 1 says 8 character not 1 main and 7 alts lol

See your whole post is your opinion you may think its selfish i don't and know many others who don't, but i dont post for them which is where i asked you to stop speaking for me lol

I used the options given to me to get a house i payed to move to where they were so i don't feel selfish at all

What i do see is selfish is the people who took a free transfer to servers telling people they must give there houses up cause im here now and want one. to bad you have owned them for years but im here now give me

And the extra selfish people are the ones who were on low pop servers and had houses. payed to move to high pop balmug or gil to raid only to take a free ride back and say im here now give up your houses i want them

Even if i didnt have a house id NEVER say take away from what people all ready have cause i want a house now or restrict what people can get (Thats Selfish).
Id be right on the side im on now . SE needs to supply enough houses for everyone period you offer them you need to have enough . I dont care about server space and all that, thats why i pay a monthly sub..... if your gonna offer them and charge us x amount a month make it happen , many many other games can do it. figure it out or dont get my money

for 3 years the rules have been this where was the riots and outrage for 2 1/2 of them. it wasnt untill people got a free transfer and Shiro came out that this all blew up

[Naunet]

Defend it all you want there is no reasonable argument to be made that is not based around the desire to protect what they already have. Please if you can come up with a reasonable argument as to why the one person should be able to own multiple plots on the same server, that is not based around buying them when wards were empty or one character is a different entity and should not be lumped together with the entire account, I am all ears.

Because people deserve to make use of a feature as they see fit so long as it doesn't violate any rules. Just like some players see no value in housing, others enjoy decorating and creating environments for their characters. The fact that SE designed a system that is utterly horrible is irrelevant. I will never be mad at someone who has more than one house. It is not their fault. They did nothing wrong.