Quote Originally Posted by Lunali View Post
IMO, it isn't a problem with SAM and MNK, it's a problem with the mentality of tanks. Every tank is capable of holding hate against them even without diversion, they just don't want to do it.
It's because they have to actually lose a lot to maintain it if they're not circle shirking one another. It's not just a case of provoke and aggro combo. It's a case of, they need to waste a GCD if they're a DRK or PLD to go into tank stance. and then aggro combo. this causes issues rotationally for them because it consumes MP which they expend on Holy spirit rotation. Or just extra dps for the drk. Also aggro combos suck for dps. If people think a voke and aggro combo without tank stance will do anything to a monk or sam's enmity they are mistaken. They're only delaying the inevitable and in optimal gameplay you really don't want to aggro combo for obvious reasons.

Diversion just sucks. It needs to last longer or the CD needs to be available more frequently. OR we just need a straight enmity dump. I don't disagree however that tanks just don't want to do it. I've been in a number of parties where the OT walks around like he's got his finger up his bum while the MT dies and the boss goes on to kill everyone else. I'm just saying in optimized gameplay there's a reason why it's a hassle for the Tank to aggro combo. Hence why circle shirking is a thing because it alleviates the problems with normal aggro combos.