Let's talk about Hunts - a detailed rundown of their assumed mechanics

[Sarteck]

You can solo hunts, but in the long run you'll benefit more by waiting for others and sharing. You'll get more hunts if you'll not be kicked from every hunt linkshell. Meaning more marks and kill credits toward the tiger. You'll never kill as much hunts solo as if you'd followed relinks.
It's simply not profitable to be selfish.

Agreed. I just take issue with those here implying that it's against the rules, or implying that the rules should be changed so that it is against the rules.

[Unease_Lemming]

Agreed. I just take issue with those here implying that it's against the rules, or implying that the rules should be changed so that it is against the rules.

I do have a hard time thinking that going to an area full well knowing a hunt is possible to spawn, doing nothing but sit there, wait until someone else puts in the work and spawns it, using 3rd party tools to be informed of the spawn, running up to and pulling the hunt instantly is what was intended for hunts.

I wish kicking people from linkshells would do anything but frankly, as long as pc has access to any of these tools that will never work. Cheaters will find a way, and do. S ranks on my server are in shambles right now all due to ruthless people using every underhanded tactic in the book to prevent others from hearing about hunts.

[Sarteck]

I do have a hard time thinking that going to an area full well knowing a hunt is possible to spawn, doing nothing but sit there, wait until someone else puts in the work and spawns it, using 3rd party tools to be informed of the spawn, running up to and pulling the hunt instantly is what was intended for hunts.

I hear what you're saying. However, again (as has been mentioned several times in this thread on the subject), by the same token, Hunts weren't intended for the entire server to come participate in.

Furthermore (at least on Exodus), the people that cheat tend to be the ones also doing the Hunting; not as you say people just "sitting around waiting for someone else to spawn it." I don't know why this keeps getting brought up over and over again, so maybe it's different on other servers, but on mine, it's the Hunting Community itself that cheats, and that certainly is not what was intended for Hunts.

And how long does someone have to wait, anyways? A minute? Two? Five? 20? What hard limit would you even set for labeling someone as an "early puller?"

I'm not talking from nowhere on this--I've worked hard myself to spawn S-Ranks, and a few times while I was waiting for the word to spread through linkshells, they did get pulled early. (Once I wasn't even able to get ANY credit, because I was having a hard time targeting Chernobog in that teensy cave.) And yes, it did irk me. The alternative is to not post to places you know contain early pullers, or (if you are certain they are cheating) to report them to a GM (they have a category specifically for reports of suspected cheating).

I wish kicking people from linkshells would do anything but frankly, as long as pc has access to any of these tools that will never work. Cheaters will find a way, and do. S ranks on my server are in shambles right now all due to ruthless people using every underhanded tactic in the book to prevent others from hearing about hunts.

My server is quite the opposite--Hunts are announced all over the place, Ariyala is kept really tidy (especially with S-Ranks) and up-to-date, and people often do wait five, ten minutes before charging in. Even still, every single time, someone who heard about it later than others will complain about there being an "early pull." I do wonder if that might not be the case in a lot of these complaints, to be quite honest.

[Commander_Justitia]

the people that cheat tend to be the ones also doing the Hunting

Why do you differ between people using 3rd party tools being active hunter or not active hunter? They both still undermine/cheat the current system, it is kinda the same for me.

Because SE won't go after people using 3rd party software for these kind of things, they have
option1: ignore it or
option2: make a new system that makes the use of 3rd party tools&tracker websites redundant (essentially giving all the information of next respawn times and "it spawned" ingame)
option 2 wont happen unless community gets louder