Can we get entry ilvl for levelling dungeons already?

[Tempest222]

I don't see why they shouldn't add a minimum ilevel requirement to dungeons. There's no reason to be that horrendously undergeared, and I know I wouldn't want to queue for something that my gear was way too low for. I'd rather have the game let me know so I could fix it before going in.

[Ilan]

Reminds me of my thread in the german part of the forum. It has to stop that people can go into leveling dungeons basically naked.

And for all these "you don't pay my sub" or "you are just elitist" people in this thread: I hope you'll get hopeless undergeared players in your dungeons, like i got a ilvl 130 tank in a level 61 dungeon. That has nothing to do with the desire to speed run, its the wish to be able to complete this dungeon, without 342807987234 wipes.

Btw. you don't pay my sub either but you ruining my game experience if you are joining a dungeon with a ilvl that belongs in a dungeon 20 or more level below.

[Kacho_Nacho]

To tell you the truth, I thought ilevel requirements were already in place for leveling dungeons. After all, the game makes a big point to let you know when your level has been adjusted for the content when doing dungeons and fates.

While we all know ilevel and level are separate things, the fact SE already puts a limit upon players while going through content shows that an ilevel requirement for dungeons is doable. So, yeah, I'd like to see this implemented.

*Expanded thoughts...

You know, if the game can squish stats down when higher level characters are going through the lower level leveling dungeons, why can't the game inflate the stats up if a character is undergeared for a particular dungeon? After all, isn't the game making an educated guess as to the average stats and gear we'd have for the content?

So what would be easier, an ilevel limit or an automatic average stat adjuster per dungeon?

[Dzian]

imo there is no excuse not to keep your gear up to date. Its not even mmo, but an rpg 101. You can\\'t always get the people like this kicked out, from 2.0-3.0 people got told "gear doesn\\'t matter"

Depends how you play. When levelling jobs for example I\\'ll typically just do roulettes. And by and large gear really doesn\\'t matter for that.

It really doesn\\'t matter if your level 68 and still rocking 200 gear in your msq alliance or 50/60 and trials roulettes for example.

Generally then it\\'s often not worth upgrading gear because the likelyhood of getting a duty that needs it in your roulettes is incredibly low. It\\'s easy to see why people just don\\'t bother with gear. More often than not even the levelling roulette would be fine if you were rocking 200 gear at 68. Simply because the chances of getting a 60+levelling dungeon are pretty slim.

Just saying it\\'s easy to see why players don\\'t bother. I think my blm went from 60-70 in diabolic left side and proto Ultima right side. And I got 2 60+ dungeons in all the roulettes I did from 60-70. Didn\\'t even think about gear.

You.just don't need to keep it up to date for levelling. That's why I said earliernyoud only need a fairly low I level check on levelling dungeons.

[HyoMinPark]

Depends how you play. When levelling jobs for example I\\'ll typically just do roulettes. And by and large gear really doesn\\'t matter for that.

It really doesn\\'t matter if your level 68 and still rocking 200 gear in your msq alliance or 50/60 and trials roulettes for example.

Generally then it\\'s often not worth upgrading gear because the likelyhood of getting a duty that needs it in your roulettes is incredibly low. It\\'s easy to see why people just don\\'t bother with gear. More often than not even the levelling roulette would be fine if you were rocking 200 gear at 68. Simply because the chances of getting a 60+levelling dungeon are pretty slim.

Just saying it\\'s easy to see why players don\\'t bother. I think my blm went from 60-70 in diabolic left side and proto Ultima right side. And I got 2 60+ dungeons in all the roulettes I did from 60-70. Didn\\'t even think about gear.

You.just don't need to keep it up to date for levelling. That's why I said earliernyoud only need a fairly low I level check on levelling dungeons.

Generally speaking, it’s not that big of a deal for a DPS job to be wearing i270 or even the i273 Shisui gear. But once you hit Bardam’s, Doma Castle, and Castrum Abania, it’s a huge deal (and it’s a huge difference) if you get a healer or tank wearing i270 gear—especially if one or the other wants to do large pulls. It just cannot be done without putting a lot of strain on both the tank and the healer, especially if DPS is subpar.

If you are, for example, level 67, but not geared enough on your tank or healer job to queue into Leveling (because you know today will be the day it gives you Doma Castle), then at least get the cheapy vendor gear rather than just YOLO-ing it. Because when I was leveling my healers, I hated getting tanks in i270 Shire in Doma Castle that insisted on doing the big daddy pulls, but just could not survive even with me spamming my strongest heals on them (and feeding them Boles on AST).

When I was leveling DRK, I was still rocking mostly i270 Shire stuff. So I did not queue into Leveling Roulette, or anything past Shisui out of respect for whoever I would have gotten as my healer. (Well, and Alliance Roulette exp was godly, so I just did it and MSQ Roulette every day for a week to get from level 66 to 70.)

It’s all about being respectful. If you know you’re undergeared, don’t queue into stuff that you are not equipped to handle; stick to the other roulettes like 50/60, Trials, MSQ, or Alliance roulette. Or invest in some cheap gear to hold you over until you get dungeon drops.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Has my vote. Tired of getting bardams when I do leveling roulette on a healer class that has a tank wearing lvl 60 or lower white gear on most if not all of their slots that still thinks they can superpull just to have their HP go from 100-0 in the cast time of 1 heal spell.

[Jijifli]

Honestly though, I've never had this issue. People leaving, yes. But a player with Lv50 gear in a Lv70 dungeon, etc, never.

Level 70 dungeons have an item level requirement. Imagine though if I could queue into it with item level 130 gear though. Does that sound fun for your dungeon?

Because that's basically what's happening in Sirensong. To help here, the minimum for a level 70 dungeon is 280, unless it's Skalla, then 300. Imagine that removed. Imagine me being allowed to queue in gear not good enough for the content.

[kikix12]

It really doesn\\'t matter if your level 68 and still rocking 200 gear in your msq alliance or 50/60 and trials roulettes for example.

Yes, it doesn't matter for those, since those will normally put you in a duty that can be finished with ilvl200 (well, higher level trials may include Susano and Lakshmi, so that may matter).

Generally then it\\'s often not worth upgrading gear because the likelyhood of getting a duty that needs it in your roulettes is incredibly low.

And this is where you're wrong. When I leveled my healers, after I reached lvl61, I almost completely stopped getting anything lower than that. I got the highest level dungeon I unlocked majority of the time, and one of the lower Stormblood dungeons most of the remaining time. I got non-Stormblood dungeon maybe twice or thrice between 61-70. And I have all three healers at lvl70.
Something like seeing Bardam's Mettle was not "rare". It happened four times in a row after I got my Astrologian to lvl65, just like I got Shisui of the Violet Tides three or four times in a row after reaching level 63 before that.

And for a tank and a healer, it REALLY matters what gear you have.

[NocturniaUzuki]

Level 70 dungeons have an item level requirement. Imagine though if I could queue into it with item level 130 gear though. Does that sound fun for your dungeon?

Because that's basically what's happening in Sirensong. To help here, the minimum for a level 70 dungeon is 280, unless it's Skalla, then 300. Imagine that removed. Imagine me being allowed to queue in gear not good enough for the content.

It sounds like a minor annoyance, but fun. And ironically, I did have a run of Skalla yesterday where the DPS did less damage than myself as the tank combined. Just changed it up though. Variance is fun.

[LalaRu]

im tired of getting ... i50 healer that cant heal me when im tanking 2 mobs also in sirensong

It happened to me a few days ago, leveled AST in potd, and when 60 ran to Idyll to get the shiny Shire gear and queued some roulette... just to find out my weapon was still at "lol level" at first intensive heal place I got.

I did taken my responsability and left, eating my penalty. And used that time to buy appropriate weapon ofc.