Tanks Letting DPS Die

[dinnertime]

For the past week I've been pulling hate from tanks even if I used Diversion or Lucid Dreaming to cut my emnity. It's really frustrating especially when both of them have long cooldowns. People keep on saying to use them (which I do) but it's not as accessible as people believe.

Managing enmity is a group effort, but tanks should be more responsible about it because their aggro management is much more accessible than other roles.

[Tzain]

I’ve played mmo games for more than a decade and two things never change, EVER:

1. DPS are always the biggest d-bags in the game and incessantly blame healers and tanks for literally everything they don’t like.
2. The players most concerned with and the most infatuated with parsers are elitists who are more interested in shifting blame onto others than doing what is best for the team. Oh, whenever a “leech” is removed, they tell all the dupes that it was what is best for the team (only dupes believe it).

Tanks let dps die all the time... pity is so few dps ever learn why it happens to them.

I've been tanking in MMOs since 1999.
I think what your referring to is a bit more complicated.
DPS is, by its very nature, a 'Internal play' class compared to healers/tanks/controllers who have to act in the best interests of the group or respond to events (External Play).
A selfish/immature player would be attracted to that playstyle more so than other playstyles.
And the behavior you describe would certainly be in character for a selfish/immature player.
Oddly though, that same personality type would never excel in the DPS role past a certain point. They just wouldn't be able to work within the group to make everyone perform better, and a more mature player would eventually pass them as that player would be more inclined to 'refine' their performance by accepting their mistakes.

Side note: Players with oversized egos (self included) often go with the tank classes in the same way. The class feeds into their need for attention, but that same selfish streak will prevent them from truly excelling.

What I'm saying is, a personality gravitates toward a style. Not the other way around.

[Hruodig]

And I'd report you for harassment/abuse if you did, especially as you've now said point blank that's why you'd be doing it.

Difference in playstyle is an option for kicking. Groups I run with use aoe to finish dungeons fast and efficiently. You don't want to? You're not in my group, sorry.

[wereotter]

Difference in playstyle is an option for kicking. Groups I run with use aoe to finish dungeons fast and efficiently. You don't want to? You're not in my group, sorry.

Hmmm seems I don't see your option there, though I do see that abusing the tool is a punishable act. But sounds like we're both better off for not playing together. I'm sure I'd absolutely hate having to deal with you in any content.

[Hruodig]

Hmmm seems I don't see your option there, though I do see that abusing the tool is a punishable act. But sounds like we're both better off for not playing together. I'm sure I'd absolutely hate having to deal with you in any content.

You can ask any gm you want and they'll tell you that kicking for difference in playstyle is acceptable and happens. Though I do agree that we're probably better off not playing together-I'd want you to actually try, and god forbid that happen.

[Tsilyi]

I personally wouldn't bother kicking, but I would try even harder to make up for it. :\

[Hruodig]

I personally wouldn't bother kicking, but I would try even harder to make up for it. :\

Generally for me it just depends on how far through the instance we already are. If I notice on the first pull that a dps isn't using aoe, I'll ask them to. If they don't on the pull after that, I'll ask again. If they continue to waste everyone else's time, then I'll kick them. Cause here's the thing: as a dps, your job is to make things die fast. Do big damage good. Not using aoe abilities on large trash pulls is definitely not killing things fast-so in the same way that you'd kick a tank for failing to hold aggro, or kick a healer for failing to keep the tank alive consistently, why would you not kick a dps for failing to do their job? It's all about accountability, and I find too often that too many dpses feel content to be carried through content.

Anyway, I've gotten this thread off track, and I apologize for that.

[Mavrias]

Hmmm seems I don't see your option there, though I do see that abusing the tool is a punishable act. But sounds like we're both better off for not playing together. I'm sure I'd absolutely hate having to deal with you in any content.

There's cheating. Because you're essentially trying to get a free ride through a dungeon. Especially if you don't respond when I ask you to AOE; you might be a bot.


Harassment if you fly off the handle at me over it or if your lack of AOE leads to a wipe.

AFK if i can't tell if you're doing anything (no buffs on the party window, no obvious tp usage.) For all I know you're autofollowing me.

[wereotter]

There's cheating. Because you're essentially trying to get a free ride through a dungeon. Especially if you don't respond when I ask you to AOE; you might be a bot.


Harassment if you fly off the handle at me over it or if your lack of AOE leads to a wipe.

AFK if i can't tell if you're doing anything (no buffs on the party window, no obvious tp usage.) For all I know you're autofollowing me.

Wow.... did you pull a muscle stretching that hard?

[Mavrias]

Wow.... did you pull a muscle stretching that hard?

You wanted to know how you'd be fairly kicked over it, and playstyle differences isn't an acceptable answer to you, so there you go. You should contribute to the party if you dont wanna be kicked.