Lets speak about Mentor's.

[Skivvy]

Right. But you almost choked about the things I was right. And you had to point that out. Hypocrite

I wouldn't say you were right. If you are taking offense at someone being mounted on/near an NPC, I can only wonder how you cope with actual grievances. Best of luck to you in your adventures.

[Miste]

Right. But you almost choked about the things I was right. And you had to point that out. Hypocrite

Me almost choking on my drink because I found what you posted funny is being a hypocrite? I don't think your definition is quite correct....

Like I said my post was my view on things said in this thread, you obviously don't like my opinion on it, which is whatever, I honestly don't care, but my opinion about what you posted being funny doesn't make me a hypocrite, sorry xD

[Xerek]

Again, from the level of sheer hostility, it's clear nothing is to be gained here. Glenfiddich is outright hostile towards mentors, and even when evidence is presented there may be good ones, it's countered with the argument those good mentors are still bad because they have some kind of mental illness driving their altruism.

You're simply not going to get through to them. No matter how well-formulated a reply you develop, they will still find some explanation, no matter how unlikely, to justify and reinforce their core belief. In other words, you're wasting your breath.

If you want to break bad views toward mentors, the only thing you can really do is keep being a good mentor. Actions speak louder then words, and to this individual at least, the words aren't being heard.

[Rymm]

I know I shouldn't respond, but the bait is too good so I'll just say this-

So, In your understanding, if someone is telling only half the truth about someone the other one should stay silent, right? Lol, you mentors are really funny

I have no comment whatsoever to say about your motives for posting again. I'm merely pointing out two unassailable facts and the conclusion produced when they are taken together:

You said you were leaving the thread.
You still posted again in said thread.

Thanks to your previous posts, it's painfully obvious that you let your opinions and prejudices distort your perception of the world around you. But through a critical, completely unbiased lens, your actions are hypocritical. The reasons driving them are completely immaterial.

[HyoMinPark]

Right. But you almost choked about the things I was right. And you had to point that out. Hypocrite

I don't think you know what the word "hypocrite" means. Also, I stand by what I said earlier: you say mentors are the hostile and rude ones, but the only hostility and rudeness I see from anyone in this thread isn't from them.

For reference:

hypocrite
—noun

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

[Silver-Strider]

Can people let this thread die already?
It's devolved into pointless dribble and name calling.

[cakesphere]

The real struggle is being a mentor on a closed server (gilga/balmung). NN is just mentors talking at each other because there are no sprouts to help

#FreeGreg

[Shouko]

There are more stories similar to those.
I've come to the Point were I'm thinking that Mentors are the most inconsiderate, most arrogant and most incapable Players in that Game. I have no respect for them.

There are good mentors out there, but a lot of the bad apples ruin it for them sadly.

There really needs to be an overhaul to the mentor program as a whole, like some sort of application outside the game, then maybe some feedback system done by a new player that just started the game that runs with them, if too many negative feedbacks or commendations type situation then they lose their mentor privileges for a period of time, maybe not exactly like this but different from the current set up we have now.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

I don't really wear the mentor crown, I mostly just answer questions I can when I see them.
Mostly in Novice Network, but being on Balmung...

The real struggle is being a mentor on a closed server (gilga/balmung). NN is just mentors talking at each other because there are no sprouts to help

#FreeGreg

There's not really many 'new' players around. Usually more mentors in the novice network than sprouts/returners.
Still, I can occasionally help people.

[Perrys]

I didn't read all the replies, but the OP queued for Ramuh Extreme in the Duty finder and had someone leave.
Obviously they get someone doing the Duty Roulette: Mentor spam to get the mount. In that mentor's eyes he rolled extremely poorly to get put into a trap of Ramuh Extreme. Perhaps the #1 duty out of the entire list that basically guarantees a gigantic waste of time.

It's no wonder why they left.

If I get into a ramuh extreme and it isn't filled, I will immediately leave. Not because I'm a bad "Mentor" but because I'm being realistic. The same thing that happens will happen. We will wait until the party fills. And then we will wipe a couple times, explain things, wipe to the same things over and over, and then eventually all the sprouts aren't having much fun. "This isn't what I signed up for...." and then they vote abandon(I never initiate the vote).

That's not something I want to be part of again.

However, if it's full, I would get a penalty if I left and well.... hey it can be fun every now and then I guess and I do know the fight extremely well due to the many times where I was "Stuck" there although I was generally a good sport.

I've had my fair share of DF ramuh extreme clears and every time it feels pretty good to have been able to accomplish that mighty feat.
I do a lot of callouts, and I teach people the fight and I've even made a few nice Data center friends that way.

So while there are many who like me and call me a great mentor, and that's great and all. That's not my goal. My goal is to just spam the roulette and do my absolute best to clear it and explain things as needed. But if there is a chance for me to dip without eating a penalty on a duty I don't really enjoy doing does that really make me a bad mentor?
The three things SE expects from Mentors:
1. Provide Gameplay advice.
2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
3. invite players to novice network and answer questions


I provide gameplay advice all the time.... Sometimes too much but I try my best to help when people are listening.
The second "Rule" is vague. But the way I see it is respect other players and hopefully in return they will respect you.
Third is just there to get people to use the channel which is often very busy. I do spend time in the channel every now and then.


So I ask again, Am I really such a terrible mentor for "Bailing" from a duty that I had just joined even though it wasn't filled?
There is no duty penalty so in my eyes it's perfectly fine. All I am doing is not spending my time in a ramuh extreme and instead queuing for a different duty that needs a player.
Perhaps it does. And that's fine. I'm terrible.

But so are the players expecting anything more from a random person on the internet