Either SMN and RDM should lose their Raise or BLM should get a Raise.

[Remedi]

Even when embolden is factured RDM is not close to BLM in dps, while SMN is above BLM before rdps is factured (175 rdps and the gap is about 200-400)

SMN devotion might not be on par with embolden in raw power ye, but it also offer some mitigation components that really should not be dissed when you have mechanics like say morn afah or gigflare where everything counts (not to mention the 5% extra healing potency means a slighly larger shield mitigation)
And that's before considering the 1 min /24 secs radiant shield and if we really want to maximise dmg SMN also can use contagion to offer some extra magical dmg if you really want it.

As for movement, as said if you need to move for more than 2 GCD SMN loses about 30 potency/gcd UNLESS they had a R4 in store in which case they gain about 70
Also can't really consider the planning department a problem for SMN since everyone's rotation is affected by mechanics to an extent even RDM

RDM after dualcast has not much else since everything else Besides OGCD is casted,

The only really thing that RDM has over SMN is beign able to quick raise more often which sadly is good only if the content allows to
oh and maybe helping healing shinryu's dragons head if you really want to count that

[Ashbury]

The only really thing that RDM has over SMN is beign able to quick raise more often which sadly is good only if the content allows to
oh and maybe helping healing shinryu's dragons head if you really want to count that

Not setting your rotation back 1~2 minutes and missing your biggest burst if you die is a good thing RDM has ovr SMN right?

BLM might have many problems, but a lack of Res is not one of them.

[Maero]

Blm are not saying smn has superior utility (hell we blm have no utility to contribute) we are saying that even just utility wise smn brings more dmg. That is a big issue when a job that brings lots of support also out damages a job that is build specifically to just bring damage but yet is behind....
And really Red utility wise with rez is only good because of dualcast, take that away and the fact that embolden is not OP like some seem to think.
Smn needs no nerfs though, blm needs a major buff/changes and Red needs minor changes

[Remedi]

Not setting your rotation back 1~2 minutes and missing your biggest burst if you die is a good thing RDM has ovr SMN right?

BLM might have many problems, but a lack of Res is not one of them.

well ye that is idd a bonus RDM has over SMN, which to be fair is important considering what happens in the final phase of ultimate

and Ye I agree lacking a Ress is not really the problem with BLM

Personally I think that they should buff both BLM and RDM instead of nerfing SMN since nerfing it would simply mean that there would be no real competitot to ranged meta

[PrismaticDaybreak]

multiple 'red mage is fine' posts

*smacks head against wall repeatedly* They. Don't. Balance. Off. Of. Difficulty. Of. Playstyle. They. said. this. in. a. live. letter.

Embolden is barely 150-175 rDPS. It's not that big. God at this point screw Verraise, I'm so tired of having to argue against it with people who have no perspective.

As far as the whole 'punishing when dying' arguments. Really really simple solution. Don't die. I know right? It's almost too perfect.

[Kabooa]

It's getting pretty meme worthy at this point.

"Black Mage can use a raise."

"Black mage can't have a raise cuz lore and infinite MP."

"Other casters shouldn't have raise"

"Other casters have raise cuz otherwise they don't get raid spots."

[MagiusNecros]

BLM shouldn't have a raise spell because it never has one in a traditional FF game anyway. Neither should SMN which is merely Summon and Black magic. RDM should have it's raise on a long CD because RDM spells are generally weaker then spells cast by WHM and BLM in traditional games.

Only Healers should have raises.

Annoying when they have their skillsets mucking up Final Fantasy standards.

[Kurando]

BLM shouldn't have a raise spell because it never has one in a traditional FF game anyway. Neither should SMN which is merely Summon and Black magic. RDM should have it's raise on a long CD because RDM spells are generally weaker then spells cast by WHM and BLM in traditional games.

Only Healers should have raises.

Annoying when they have their skillsets mucking up Final Fantasy standards.

Actually in FF lore Summoners were almost always associated with White Mage rather than Black (aside from Rydia). It actually makes sense in a way for SMNs to have Raise because of their ability to manipulate aether in to a coporeal form (in this case, summons), it could quite easily be adapted to use aether in recovering another player to a weakened state. In FF14 the SMN is also too closely linked to the SCH that having shared actions is to be expected from the in-game lore prospective.

[MagiusNecros]

Actually in FF lore Summoners were almost always associated with White Mage rather than Black (aside from Rydia). It actually makes sense in a way for SMNs to have Raise because of their ability to manipulate aether in to a coporeal form (in this case, summons), it could quite easily be adapted to use aether in recovering another player to a weakened state. In FF14 the SMN is also too closely linked to the SCH that having shared actions is to be expected from the in-game lore prospective.

That's only based on accounts of Summoners being paired up with White Magic. So you basically have White Mages that dabble in the Summoning school of magic. Rydia was paired up with Black Magic instead.

[Remedi]

Besides FF14 takes inspiration from the job system where SMN was his own class, Heroes can have multiple jobs avaible to them so characters like Yuna(which btw was a stronger Black mage than Lulu if you chose to), Rydia etc. should be taken with a grain of salt