Yoshi P./Dev team/Job balance team Please Say Something About DRK

[Chrono_Rising]

It is really very clear that they aren't actually responding to player raised issues. The team thinks the class is fine and that is all that matters.

Direct question about dark passenger: No comment

Forums: Less utility, dps, and lower up times on mitigation than Paladin and Warrior. No Comment.

Ok.

Let's look at what tanks got in this expansion:

Paladin Gained:
1. Gets to block magic, can refill its gauge quickly getting a self shield that works really well on tank busters and mitigates only 4% less than Dark Knights strongest skill.

2. Gained the ability to have uninterruptible casting, as well as had all of its mana costs cut in half.

3. Cover buffed to mitigate damage and cover magical damage

4. Party shield

5. New powerful magic attack.

6. oGCD skill which buffs its hard hitting magical attacks/increases its self healing if you choose to. Buffed by its physical cooldown

7. Several potency buffs to its dps combo.

8. The ability to share your mitigation with your cotank

Lost:
1. Made several contributions to the new CR system, has room to slot everything back.

2. Halone combo debuff removed

3. Foresight

4. Bloodbath

Warrior Gained:
1. Gained an oGCD gap closer on half the cooldown and 33% longer range than the dark knight equivalent. Used in dps rotation as a guage dump, generates enmity.

2. Gained a resource cut allowing it to double the number of its hardest hitting moves, accessible every other burst window, prevents many negative effects which could work against it (push backs, stuns, and binds, and sleep).

3. Gained a powerful oGCD attack which ignores its tank stance penalty and is buffed by its tank stance, a defensive cooldown, and its offensive cooldown.

4. Gained a party wide shield on a short cooldown

5. Potency buffs and guage buffs to its dps combo

6. Selfsustain buffs to moves in tank stance

7. Removed the requirement of needing to burn its mitigation in order to fuel burst phase.

8. Gained access to Rampart, a better alternative to its native cooldown

Lost:
1. oGCD Stun

2. Raid wide mitigation

3. Low potency Dot removed

4. Lost foresight, but gained rampart

5. RIP Bloodbath

6. Mercy Stroke

7. Lost access to second wind through CR system

8. Internal release (crit version)

Dark Knight Gained:
1. Gained Delirium buffing resource generating abilities, is 1/4 the potency of the warrior and paladin equivalents.

2. Gained an AOE move which helps restore mana

3. Gained a single target hard hitting move.

4. Gained a shield which can be used frequently but can be risky to use as frequently as is available.

5. Resource generating abilities buffed to generate the new resource.

6. Potency of dps combo raised, blood generation added to dps combo ender

Lost:
1. oGCD stun, the potency of the stun, and the proc mechanic reseting the stun

2. Lost a fluff cooldown in dark dance

3. Lost Reprisal, 250 potency with a damage down debuff

4. Lost access to foresight as a cooldown through CR system

5. Dark Passenger potency cuts to oblivion

6. Unleash potency cuts

7. Contributions to the CR system cannot all be slotted back without giving up necessary tank moves.

8. Selfsustained lowered

9. Lost a high potency dot

10. Lost access to Mercy Stroke through CR system

11. Magical debuff from DPS combo removed (RIP 3.x Delirium)

[TouchandFeel]

If that interview answer is saying what it appears to be saying ...

Well there are not enough carpenters in Gridania to make all the tables that would need flipping.

If the team thinks that DRK is balanced with the other tanks they are quite simply wrong and there is a great deal of data that shows this.

[Aana]

If that interview question is saying what it appears to be saying ...

Well there are not enough carpenters in Gridania to make all the tables that would need flipping.

If the team thinks that DRK is balanced with the other tanks they are quite simply wrong and there is a great deal of data that shows this.

I think a more accurate assessment would be "We don't think the differences are large enough to give a shit about." Not that there aren't any. Not much of a consolation, but still a window into the black void that is SE's thought process.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Yeah, I also took it as "Its more noticeable what utility WAR brings because fo Shake it Off, but still just as many ppl bring DRK or dont reject DRK for us to care."

(Honestly, as much as I would like to be balanced as DRK, I'd easily not care about balance if I found the job as enjoyable as I did in 3.x)

[Reynhart]

Lost:
1. Made several contributions to the new CR system, has room to slot everything back.

2. Halone combo debuff removed

You can't really count Mercy Stroke and Foresight to DRK without counting them for PLD too.
PLD also lost Stoneskin (And Cure that was very useful at low level)

And you forgot that WAR lost Internal Release

[Chrono_Rising]

You can't really count Mercy Stroke and Foresight to DRK without counting them for PLD too.
PLD also lost Stoneskin (And Cure that was very useful at low level)

And you forgot that WAR lost Internal Release

Fixed except for cure and stone skin since, though helpful at low levels, they aren’t really a loss at high levels, especially cure since it barely healed. And stoneskin is kinda like clemency in that you really should not want to use it.

[Zykor]

Fixed except for cure and stone skin since, though helpful at low levels, they aren’t really a loss at high levels, especially cure since it barely healed. And stoneskin is kinda like clemency in that you really should not want to use it.

I don't want to use Passage of Arms either Stoneskin was strong during prog lol, can't tell you enough how many lives I've saved during T13 when people had weakness.

[Chrono_Rising]

Passage of arms is bad for dps, good for prog. But agreed it is the first thing to go once not needed.

But this also reminded me to add intervention to paladin. No idea why this reminded me of it but thanks.

[LadyCeles]

Make dark passanger like spirits within no cost free dps, dark mind 10% damage reduction 20% under dark arts every 2 minutes (be another big def CD people wouldnt mind 3 minute cd for shadow wall), extend TBK by a second or 2. If DP dps isnt enough to even them out u can either raise potencies slighty or give an area skill speed buff to raose group dps. There mitigation would be insain, there DPS wouod be better with possable more utility. These changes are not that big either. The other option would be to buff the hell out of potencies giving them the most DPS but then WARs would be crying again

[RLofOBFL]

Yoshi why.... Drk is so clearly worse. Less dps, less mitigation, less utility. Literally anything DRK does, PLD does infinitely better. Even TBN is only a slightly better Sheltron with a minor dps loss....