Either SMN and RDM should lose their Raise or BLM should get a Raise.

[Shiroe]

rdm damage is more constant in progression end-raids (less punished + very mobile)...., besides ofc the super-rez

dunno if rdm need any buff atm

besides rdm get love too in pfs for their embolden..

[Remedi]

Tbf the dmg loss of SMN in movement is about 30 potency without any R4 procs, while summoners have only 1 charge of instant cast which means that more than 1 CD is idd a dps loss for them

Most ppl that have taken SMN over RDM for prog was idd the fact that SMN brings on par or superior utility while doing higher dmg, the niche of the extra ress is ok when the boss allows you to ofc

[Neela]

the fact that SMN brings on par or superior utility while doing higher dmg

superior?... lately the com really think Devotion is a badass utility now?...
in fact devotion is just a nice to have thing but its in no way "superior" compared to an int-base heal f.e. : /

yeah our dmg is a bit over the top yet but I can't understand why all RDMs/BLMs are talking about our so powerful raid-utility...
which if we are honest isn't that godlike people are trying to make it look like - its just easy to bring it on the table to underline how pissed someone is about the raw dps itself.

well next patch on the horizon and everything will set to normal with us on the bottom again -
so just relaxe everyone, Yoshi will show Blm some love sooner or later no need to worry ^^

[Alkimi]

rdm damage is more constant in progression end-raids (less punished + very mobile)...., besides ofc the super-rez

dunno if rdm need any buff atm

SMN's rotation is largely unaffected by mechanics. Once you can do it on a dummy you can do it on a boss, at least for the most part. It's definitely more mobile than RDM in my experience.

[Caduagm]

superior?... lately the com really think Devotion is a badass utility now?...
in fact devotion is just a nice to have thing but its in no way "superior" : /

yeah our dmg is a bit over the top yet but I can't understand why all RDMs/BLMs are talking about our so powerful raid-utility...
which if we are honest isn't that godlike people are trying to make it look like - its just easy to bring it on the table to underline how pissed someone is about the raw dps itself.

well next patch on the horizon and everything will set to normal with us on the bottom again -
so just relaxe everyone, Yoshi will show Blm some love sooner or later no need to worry ^^

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What about radiant utility and contagion?

[Neela]

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What about radiant utility and contagion?

we always had pet utility-skills and it wasn't ever a topic at all - why now digging in oldschool skills?
radiant is cool yeah, con is useless unless you run multiple caster so what else do we bring exclusively to a raid setup?

Devotion. yeah its grp wide but... the pot is so low most of the player wouldn't even notice the buff by themselves. awesome.

SMN's rotation is largely unaffected by mechanics. Once you can do it on a dummy you can do it on a boss, at least for the most part. It's definitely more mobile than RDM in my experience

uhm smns rotation is largely unaffected by mechanics?!... we are totally affected by mechanics to time our phases right - but yeah insta ruin3 was heaven sent indeed.

[Kurando]

Please no more with the BLM needs raise nonsense.

It's not because SMM/RDM have Raise that they are picked in raid settings, that's just pulling at straws. They are picked because they have more versatile utility and can be very mobile, compared to BLM which is very much a idle caster but has very powerful actions at it's disposal. The BLM needs a little tweak to it's kit, whether that be a buff to the CDs or better results from the damage output.

Not having Raise is not the issue here.

[TelosNox]

Yes remove raise from RDM please and buff DPS, so DPS matches the little utility RDM really brings for a raidgroup.

[Shiroe]

atm, smn does seem like the most mobile caster (rdm close 2nd) ... and smn does very high damage once you got the rotation/opener down

but imo rdm utility is still top and rdm gets punished less (smn can lose pets or atherflows..., besides bahamut movement can suck)

imo what rdm lacks in dps compared to smn, rdm makes up with its better utility and "easy" to handle play style

[Neela]

atm, smn does seem like the most mobile caster (rdm close 2nd) ... and smn does very high damage once you got the rotation/opener down

but imo rdm utility is still top and rdm gets punished less (smn can lose pets or atherflows..., besides bahamut movement can suck)

imo what rdm lacks in dps compared to smn, rdm makes up with its better utility and "easy" to handle play style

I would sign that statement without a doubt tho – currently we are way stronger but personally I still feel the utility of rdms more useful out of speed runs yeah.
and you are also right about death still being our biggest Nemesis... a point which Blm/Rdms can still smile about ^^'