World First tank line up confirmed

[Argyle_Darkheart]

WF is proof that Renard is an outstanding player and tank, not that DRK is "fine".

If anything they should be congratulated and lauded for achieving such a feat at a disadvantage.

How do you know they were at a disadvantage for taking DRK? Did they say that?

[Vallamaria]

How do you know they were at a disadvantage for taking DRK? Did they say that?

Because anyone with two working eyes and a functioning brain can figure that much out. Since fact of the matter is DRK genuinely has worse mitigation, party utility, and damage compared to the other two tanks. These are hard facts that have already been backed up by hard numbers and information presented by other people. So given those facts it's not hard to put two and two together and figure out taking the tank which does everything worse would put one at a disadvantage. But I suppose it must be very hard to understand for those who prefer to remain blissfully ignorant and unaware of the facts.

[Kabooa]

How do you know they were at a disadvantage for taking DRK? Did they say that?

Given that Dark Knight was taken instead of Warrior, this implies off-tank support was more valuable than party support. In this regard, while TBN is a fairly weak guard, it is more reliable and has more uptime in regards to aiding a fellow tank than Shake it off is, which is the only thing Warrior brings that helps the other tank.

Combine this with a focus on magic based tankbusters, and Dark Knight might be the more appealing choice. It is also possible that Warrior's timers do not line up well with the transitions / mechanics which eliminates much of the DPS advantage it brings as Dark Knight's peaks are lower, but the valleys are higher, where Warrior pulls ahead through absurd damage spikes.

With these assumptions in place, then Dark Knight would be the more favorable tank. This does not change the hard mechanical disadvantages it has in general scenarios though, and we cannot assume that every capstone encounter will cater to the struggling tank.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Because anyone with two working eyes and a functioning brain can figure that much out.

I sincerely hope you're not trying to call me an idiot (or worse), because I was suspended not long ago for doing such a thing.

Since fact of the matter is DRK genuinely has worse mitigation, party utility, and damage compared to the other two tanks. These are hard facts that have already been backed up by hard numbers and information presented by other people. So given those facts it's not hard to put two and two together and figure out taking the tank which does everything worse would put one at a disadvantage.

I'm well aware of the current discussion surrounding DRK, but, to my knowledge, no one has analyzed the differences in tank performance in Unending Coil. Have you? Are you saying that it is impossible for DRK to be a superior tank choice over WAR or PLD in Unending Coil? Now, I'm not saying that it's likely (or unlikely), but are you saying that it's impossible? If so, I take it you have extensive experience in Unending Coil to support such a statement?

But I suppose it must be very hard to understand for those who prefer to remain blissfully ignorant and unaware of the facts.

I would agree that DRK is the weakest of the three tanks, overall, but to suggest that DRK is inferior to its competition in every way, at every moment is a bit ignorant, if you ask me.

[Chrono_Rising]

We cannot analyze dark performance in content that only one team has cleared. The feed back currently is about our known situation in savage where we see a clear decline in Dark Knight usage.

We were asked to wait to try the class, we were asked to wait to try the new primals, we were asked to wait for Savage. Now you want us to wait for ultimate?

[WhyAmIHere]

Sorry, but it would seem you're the one who is wrong and doesn't have a clue how tanking works in this game. Because DRK's overwhelming number of shortcomings compared to the other two tanks should be glaringly obvious to anyone that isn't blind. They have worse mitigation, party utility, AND damage compared to the other two tanks.

Also, the fact that the World First clear happened to contain a DRK rather than a WAR doesn't prove balance at all. It only proves DRK is definitely viable and not totally unplayable. However "viable" and "balanced" most certainly do not mean the same thing.

If anything it proves that even with the SiO changes, DRK is way better than WAR and should take WAR's spot in all raids now, using this logic.

[Awha]

That DRK player just threw you guys under the bus. Drk does need work, but for some reason I see the devs coming up with a response like it is mostly a perception issue, tank balance is in a good spot, though we will keep our eyes on it.

Or maybe SE will say something akin to play what you like, all jobs are viable for all content. While we are sure some players are unhappy with how their class performs, as a whole we feel every class has a place within current content.

In short might be another get gud statement from the devs, which sucks, but I am sure they are also sick of reading tank balance change posts all the time.

They might be right though maybe it is time we take the class as it is and play what we enjoy, since ideal balance is just that an ideal, it is in our imagination.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

We cannot analyze dark performance in content that only one team has cleared.

And yet some people seem to know that taking DRK into Unending Coil is putting your team at a disadvantage. How do they know this?

We were asked to wait to try the class, we were asked to wait to try the new primals, we were asked to wait for Savage. Now you want us to wait for ultimate?

Um, no? Did I say that? Did I imply that?

What I want is for people to be honest. You can't know whether taking DRK into Unending Coil is putting you at a disadvantage if you don't know the fight, unless you think DRK is always worse than the other tanks, in every way, no matter what.

[MagiusNecros]

What I want is for people to be honest. .

I'd like an honest dev response yes. I'm still waiting.

[Chrono_Rising]

And yet some people seem to know that taking DRK into Unending Coil is putting your team at a disadvantage. How do they know this?



Um, no? Did I say that? Did I imply that?

What I want is for people to be honest. You can't know whether taking DRK into Unending Coil is putting you at a disadvantage if you don't know the fight, unless you think DRK is always worse than the other tanks, in every way, no matter what.

Personally I think tanks in tank stance are pretty balanced. I think tanks out are not. What I intend to imply here is that we are judging dark knight not on unending but what has already taken place. If we are actually being honest and thats what this is about then this whole nonsense of dark is fine because the job was in a world first clear is just as ridiculous a statement.

As far as I'm aware there isn't a post with their entire run aware, however, I've been away form the computer all day so maybe this has changed. Meaning we cannot even get details about the run other than that a dark was in the party.