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  1. #61
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    Launched's Avatar
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    Rys Sol
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    Omega
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    Go full on hyperbole fueled WAR complaints on this mf'er. You have my support.
    Are you on the same tank forum as me? Because this has been a DRK echo chamber since well before 4.1. WAR posts stopped a long time ago.
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  2. #62
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    SummerScorcher's Avatar
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    Lilla La'aurora
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    Phoenix
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    Dancer Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    Are you on the same tank forum as me? Because this has been a DRK echo chamber since well before 4.1. WAR posts stopped a long time ago.
    He meant "You have my support to make complaint threads like a WAR would" I think.
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  3. #63
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    Vespereaux Vaillantes
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    Paladin Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by SummerScorcher View Post
    He meant "You have my support to make complaint threads like a WAR would" I think.
    Precisely.

    I was saying that I would support them, or anybody at this point, that wanted to make complaint threads similar to the ones there were for WAR.

    Yes, you don't see WAR threads anymore because SE immediately responded and catered to, or arguably over-catered to, the complaints and dealt with them incredibly swiftly.

    Meanwhile DRK .... *not even crickets, just nothing at all*

    How would WAR mains feel if their job did the least dps, had the least mitigation, had the least party utility and was left in a clunky disjointed state?

    You would throw a fit, I know because I saw just that at the beginning of 4.0 and that was for only a couple of the things I listed.

    Now imagine if not only were the issues with the job not fixed but the fact that there was even a problem wasn't being acknowledged. Then on top of that, the community often tells you "things are fine, the tanks are balanced better than ever" or "just deal with it and if you can't just switch jobs".

    That would suck right? Well that's what is happening to DRK mains right now.
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  4. #64
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    WhyAmIHere's Avatar
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    Mute Shellback
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    Behemoth
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    Precisely.

    I was saying that I would support them, or anybody at this point, that wanted to make complaint threads similar to the ones there were for WAR.

    Yes, you don't see WAR threads anymore because SE immediately responded and catered to, or arguably over-catered to, the complaints and dealt with them incredibly swiftly.

    Meanwhile DRK .... *not even crickets, just nothing at all*

    How would WAR mains feel if their job did the least dps, had the least mitigation, had the least party utility and was left in a clunky disjointed state?

    You would throw a fit, I know because I saw just that at the beginning of 4.0 and that was for only a couple of the things I listed.

    Now imagine if not only were the issues with the job not fixed but the fact that there was even a problem wasn't being acknowledged. Then on top of that, the community often tells you "things are fine, the tanks are balanced better than ever" or "just deal with it and if you can't just switch jobs".

    That would suck right? Well that's what is happening to DRK mains right now.
    Dont forget to add in that while your job is being cold shouldered, your other options are being treated like blue-ribbon cattle.
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  5. #65
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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    Because this has been a DRK echo chamber since well before 4.1.
    You poor baby. Let me find you a link to reddit so you can have a proper safe space.
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  6. #66
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    Are you on the same tank forum as me? Because this has been a DRK echo chamber since well before 4.1. WAR posts stopped a long time ago.
    WAR posts generally stopped because they got catered to out of the gate. DRK's have been bitching about this and that since HW and even more so with the shitty rework it got at SB launch. While WAR got free stance swaps, HP sustain on Steel Cyclone, an AoE damage shield and no cost on Unchained/IR what has DRK gotten? Fucking Nothung(snark snark).

    Wouldn't surprise me if PLD/WAR changes happen since that's where a majority of the Tank playerbase is now.

    Since DRK is in the minority the devs don't give 2 flying fucks what happens to it. And if they do care they sure aren't showing it.
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  7. #67
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    what has DRK gotten? Fucking Nothung(snark snark).
    Hey now, we got that MP gain added to Quietus... aaaand we don't have any MP drain on Darkside anymore...
    Oh and there's TBN guys! DRK is doing so great, it's in a really healthy spot now. There's always a spot in raids for a DRK, and we're on the same level, mitigation-wise, as PLD. The devs even said so themselves!

    /s
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  8. #68
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Quietus started out with no MP gain and the MP gain on it now is just a band aid fix because they spaghetti coded Blood Price to be shit. Lack of MP drain is irrelevant since you never ran out of MP as a DRK in HW anyway.

    Honestly DPS numbers would be fine if we still have our 500 pot dot that was Scourge in ADDITION to Bloodspiller.

    But no apparently DRK is all about having a shitty kit and putting in a LOT OF WORK to just BREAK EVEN. And damn barely. Your kit is shit, your ULT is shit, your HP restore skill is a fucking MAYBE, but DRK is fine because TBN. Which I remind you has a recast time and a resource cost. Listed as an ability. And 90% of all abilities don't cost a resource.

    All in all DRK is just a bad deal.
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  9. #69
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    Carlo Vinne
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    But no apparently DRK is all about having a shitty kit and putting in a LOT OF WORK to just BREAK EVEN. And damn barely. Your kit is shit, your ULT is shit, your HP restore skill is a fucking MAYBE, but DRK is fine because TBN. Which I remind you has a recast time and a resource cost. Listed as an ability. And 90% of all abilities don't cost a resource.
    Do Scholar's just not exist to you?

    I know that this is supposed to be ranting about how slighted DRK is (which I agree with) but the majority of classes I play have abilities that have resource costs, or hefty cooldowns. I don't really get why people keep advertising TBN as atrocious when it's probably part of why DRK is still viable (not necessarily preferred, but I can get as far in savage content as DRK as I can as WAR).
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  10. #70
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimmak View Post
    Do Scholar's just not exist to you?

    I know that this is supposed to be ranting about how slighted DRK is (which I agree with) but the majority of classes I play have abilities that have resource costs, or hefty cooldowns. I don't really get why people keep advertising TBN as atrocious when it's probably part of why DRK is still viable (not necessarily preferred, but I can get as far in savage content as DRK as I can as WAR).
    I did not know your Aetherflow abilities had MP costs.
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