#BringBackHeavenswardReprisal

[Chrono_Rising]

25 feels too spammy for a 25 sec duration. But the main thing I don't really feel comfortable with is that it makes it too much an easy 'burst window', while I rather the class be defined to be more of a consistent one (Crater laid out the correct paradigm about how having burst is actually utility so the tank with the highest burst should have the lowest contribution).

What it currently does it give an increase that adds to that consistency (increasing blood weapon time); the main problem is it does it really badly (and really shouldn't cost resource at all currently).

I'm slightly unclear which delirium this is feedback too, I'm guessing me. I don't think this would be spammy since it would involve transforming one resource into another, nor would it provide a major burst since it is not increasing our strength or potencies. The delirium I propose essentially is a different way of slowing our resource cost and extending our lower burst for longer by channeling our resources back and forth. In this way our burst damage remains the same but is sustained for a longer period of time.

As for current delirium, even if we changed the resource cost, this will not significantly change how ridiculously far behind it is compared to the equivalents. The skill effect is its own limiting factor. To provide more potency it would need to extend blood weapon and blood price for even longer, but it already doubles the length of blood price so this cannot be made much longer without clipping into the next blood price. We have room to extend blood weapon for longer, Crater's analysis suggests that delirium would need 4 times the effect that it currently does, this means (assuming the effect is unchanged) it would need to be in effect for 32 seconds total, which clips into our next blood weapon window by 7 seconds, as fun as a straight minute and 2 seconds of blood weapon sounds, this means that for the full benefit of our buffs we would need to keep continuous uptime on the enemy for a full minute, which I think would make content design rather difficult.

[Eyvhokan]

I'm slightly unclear which delirium this is feedback too, I'm guessing me. I don't think this would be spammy since it would involve transforming one resource into another, nor would it provide a major burst since it is not increasing our strength or potencies. The delirium I propose essentially is a different way of slowing our resource cost and extending our lower burst for longer by channeling our resources back and forth. In this way our burst damage remains the same but is sustained for a longer period of time.

As for current delirium, even if we changed the resource cost, this will not significantly change how ridiculously far behind it is compared to the equivalents. The skill effect is its own limiting factor. To provide more potency it would need to extend blood weapon and blood price for even longer, but it already doubles the length of blood price so this cannot be made much longer without clipping into the next blood price. We have room to extend blood weapon for longer, Crater's analysis suggests that delirium would need 4 times the effect that it currently does, this means (assuming the effect is unchanged) it would need to be in effect for 32 seconds total, which clips into our next blood weapon window by 7 seconds, as fun as a straight minute and 2 seconds of blood weapon sounds, this means that for the full benefit of our buffs we would need to keep continuous uptime on the enemy for a full minute, which I think would make content design rather difficult.

I mean spammy by the way that both resources feed into each other, so DA giving blood and Bloodspiller giving MP means they circle into each other on top of normal resource generation (albeit probably not doing the normal SE combo as you're putting in more Bloodspillers).

Though the main issue is it does make it a berserk window.

I can see it working if the numbers are tuned though, so it slows consumption (feeding back half of it is quite a lot).

There's a lot that could be done for Delirium (or it occupies a space that could easily be changed I should say).

Although Delirium is far worse, and doesn't match up to the others, rather than making it on par, they really could buff the passive DRK numbers so DRK is in effect less reliant on their one.

Maybe just increase the DRK passive damage to be on par so it doesn't need a Berserk, and make Delirium more of a utility to play around boss jumps. Basically just a cooldown that ends Blood Weapon but pulls the cooldown of the next blood weapon down by however many seconds it cut it down by. It is a bit underwhelming to have a whole button for though like that, so you could tag on it doing damage as an OCD immediately, so the choice is whether to cut down the Bloodweapon now, or at the end of the duration (but you always want to press it).

[SyzzleSpark]

Maybe just increase the DRK passive damage to be on par so it doesn't need a Berserk, and make Delirium more of a utility to play around boss jumps.

Problem is, and I believe Chrono pointed this out in another thread, the way they'd be most likely to increase passive damage on DRK is by buffing Darkside, something which is already used against us as a point of argument against us needing a buff. That and its just boring.