Please give AST an instant cast damage spell

[MintnHoney]

But, I mean, despite the tone of your post a point would remain: Would other healers get a GCD instant besides 1 DoT? Why exactly should only AST get that, and not the other healers?

It's good to see that the "tone" of my post wasn't misplaced.
To be clear, you're not trying to imply that all of the healer jobs only have 1 GCD DoT available to them, right?

ON THE NOTE OF SCH: Miasma II is both restrictive and MP drain from hell. WIth this logic, SCHs make a thread that says "SCH needs an instant cast GCD heal. Something like 350-500 potency, so that we can weave and heal, because WHM gets Regen and AST gets Aspected benefic."

I see your point, but I think your request would have been better if you said SCH needed a hard CC of some kind because AST has a 2m CD stun and WHM can spam Holy, because at least that's something SCH truly lacks compared to the other two jobs. To my knowledge, anyway.

About Sch's Miasma II: MP drainage is kind of something that happens across the board for all healer AoE attack spells and therefore not exactly something to be thrown out as if it were something uniquely cumbersome to the job (well, ok, Aero III is sort of an exception). If we really want to split hairs, Miasma II is actually less of an MP cost than Gravity, and since the DoT is required to fully realize the spells damage potential, it's inadvisable to spam it.
It's an.. interesting decision to make it centered around the SCH, however that's the same logic that seemed to have been thrown from WHM AoE Stun into AST AoE Stun (but at least you can spam your AoE, if you so choose (though I wouldn't recommend it)).

...Anyway, I don't really think WHM has any instant cast attack spells either, right? I think the instant cast GCDs are strictly SCH territory, but I can't see why an OGCD would be so off-limits, role-ability or otherwise. But I couldn't see it being much stronger, if at all, than Ruin 2. I suppose a weaker Ruin 2 -like spell would be something, but then, at 100 potency, anything less than that, who's really touching that? Thus, I think, if we're trying to add in additional decisions to an already decision-intensive job, bringing more to the Minor Arcana would be the best way to go so that we're not just introducing more spells to jobs.

[Kabzy]

About Sch's Miasma II: MP drainage is kind of something that happens across the board for all healer AoE attack spells and therefore not exactly something to be thrown out as if it were something uniquely cumbersome to the job

Therein lies the issue though. Yes it is our AoE attack but due to its overall potency and instant cast, it's a direct upgrade to Ruin II (Single Target weaving / movement) at the cost of range and MP. In most scenarios, SCH can get away with using Miasma II for weaving, but depending on the length of the fight as well as other factors, you can often times find yourself having to make active decisions on whether or not you can afford to use more Miasma II for weaving. That as well as positioning sometimes preventing you from being in melee range all the time.

The move is great, but it has its drawbacks. If AST were to get an instant GCD to weave, there would need to be a similar penalty as no other healers have this linked to their DPS. Simply making Malefic III instant would be a little overkill to an already well performing job.

[Risvertasashi]

It's good to see that the "tone" of my post wasn't misplaced.

Well, so let's revisit that.

Most arguments which compel for the addition of DPS abilities for AST would be angrily flared upon by the forums due to ASTs ability to chaotically buff the DPS potential of the party.

Yes. And if you suggested a substantial buff to Samurai's DPS (even with reasoning like 'to make it flow better'), you also probably wouldn't find much support. That doesn't mean the masses are conspiring against you to keep the job down. Maybe, just maybe, you do have to factor in a job's current strength before you can find support for strong buffs to it.

To be clear, you're not trying to imply that all of the healer jobs only have 1 GCD DoT available to them, right?

Instant GCD DoT, thus allowing oGCD weaving. SCH has two, as noted, but one of them is highly situational. In a regular, single target rotation -- this is exactly right. Each healer has one GCD instant-cast DoT.

But on the healing side, WHM and AST also have an instant GCD heal that sees regular use, so there's also that opportunity to weave. Nonetheless, the ultimate point is this: All healers GCD clip. It's not a problem that is somehow unique to AST. OP is asking for this problem to be solved for AST only, in a way that would also substantially buff its overall performance.

SCH is a good example because of the sheer number of oGCDs. 6 in the first minute, 3 every minute after that. Aetherflow is also an oGCD instant, so make that 4 per minute instead. And that's just stuff from 2.0. Then add in all the oGCDs from HW/SB ability additions... Yeah, there's a lot.

[IllyaPrisma]

Well, so let's revisit that.
OP is asking for this problem to be solved for AST only, in a way that would also substantially buff its overall performance.

Miasma II is very much apart of SCH single target rotation. You are losing 30 potency for the space to use ED/150 Potency. I'm not sure how you choose to play SCH, but if you are not minimizing your Ruin II count, you are probably doing subpar DPS. SCH also has the best MP sustainability of the 3 healers by miles, and as long as you coordinate with your BRD/MCH, Miasma II is not that harmful to your MP. AST also has the most cooldowns to weave (yes, more than SCH) with the least amount of space. I'd be perfectly fine with WHM getting something for weaving as well, but the issue is most prevalent with AST. SCH is already dominating the other 2 in terms of total DPS contribution (yes it averages more than AST), so this type of addition for weaving really wouldn't be that ridiculous.

[Rawrz]

Miasma II is very much apart of SCH single target rotation. You are losing 30 potency for the space to use ED/150 Potency. I'm not sure how you choose to play SCH, but if you are not minimizing your Ruin II count, you are probably doing subpar DPS. SCH also has the best MP sustainability of the 3 healers by miles, and as long as you coordinate with your BRD/MCH, Miasma II is not that harmful to your MP. AST also has the most cooldowns to weave (yes, more than SCH) with the least amount of space. I'd be perfectly fine with WHM getting something for weaving as well, but the issue is most prevalent with AST. SCH is already dominating the other 2 in terms of total DPS contribution (yes it averages more than AST), so this type of addition for weaving really wouldn't be that ridiculous.

Miasma II should be compared to Aero III, except that the MP cost just isn't fair in a single target fight. The MP cost of Aero III is the same as Broil II, which costs 20% more than Malefic III and Stone IV. Miasma II costs 233% more than Aero III, but must be applied TWICE as often to be completely DPS optimal, assuming you have relevant OGCDS to weave. SCH is naturally at a disadvantage for MP. The "free" Mp from aetherflow with Energy Drain/healing is just an invisible part of their MP pool, which is still VERY costly. Healing spells cost more. DPS spells cost more. The inadvertent buff to dissipation last patch, from reducing MP cost of Summon/Summon III, is finally giving SCH some breathing room again.

AST is the support healer of this game. The shift from AST being the 2nd highest nuke, to the weakest, indicates that plainly. Their dps contribution is their cards above all, and should be viewed as their personal DPS towards the group. I hate the clunkiness of AST's cards too, but Makani is right, it would really increase the DPS of AST and warp the balance, unless AST wanted to a weaker Malefic III out of the deal.

[IllyaPrisma]

Their dps contribution is their cards above all, and should be viewed as their personal DPS towards the group.

Alright, apparently I need hard numbers.
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/ZvRXJ...ebuffs=1000829
I contributed (roughly) an additional 632 DPS on top of 2244. 12,656 DPS was done under Balance, so we can attribute 5% of that to me. My total would be 2876.

SCH at 99th Percentile:
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17...set=99&boss=43
Their personal is 2948, already higher than my contribution WITHOUT factoring in Chain Strategem, and I had 41% Balance uptime.

You can't "Warp the balance" when healer balance in terms of DPS is already warped. And I am not even asking for some substantial DPS increase because personally, I feel Healers are fine right now regardless of how much damage SCH contributes. I'm asking for a way to avoid hard clipping my GCD.

[Rawrz]

Alright, apparently I need hard numbers.

Which i answered by saying that yes, you could have a spell like stella or break be instant cast, but the overall DPS potency of Malefic III would be nerfed to keep AST exactly where they are DPS wise.