A similar MMO undergoing a "FFXIV" phase?

[Bahn]

Every MMO dev NCSoft aside has been in this situation post-2005 with their released games. Only SE has the assets to pull themselves out of the mess.

When you fail there is no compromise.

I think what Jinko is saying is that SE shouldn't have been in this situation in the first place with the lessons they learned from their previous *successful* MMO. SE made the same mistake twice - that's the issue. It's like the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing.

[Betelgeuzah]

SE made the same mistake twice - that's the issue.

And, uhh... the first mistake was?

Most of the companies I'm talking about are not new to the genre. They were in the same exact situation SE is in and failed. In which scale is hardly relevant, they were all failures and that's that.

No developer has managed to release two successful MMO's ever since the early 2000's- sequel or a new IP. NCSoft is the exception here, only because of their Korean userbase.

[XxOstiaxX]

You cant compare the two of them, FFXIV is B2P right now, it never went p2p, that game went from p2p now to fp2 like most MMO's out there right now, also SE has the resources to keep this game F2P if they so chose, they are not going broke :/

[Jennestia]

I think what Jinko is saying is that SE shouldn't have been in this situation in the first place with the lessons they learned from their previous *successful* MMO. SE made the same mistake twice - that's the issue. It's like the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing.

See here's the thing:

They wouldn't be if people didn't keep thinking FFXI and FMO is the devil and shouldn't have existed, thus they wouldn't have tried to make XIV as different from XI as possible and thus not even ignore the basics. If they simply built off of FFXI like they should have, as in show they gained experience making and running two MMOs the past 9 years, things would have been a lot better.

But sadly, mere mention of their prior MMOs meets you with the equivalent of being told to repent.

[irongripz]

See here's the thing:

They wouldn't be if people didn't keep thinking FFXI and FMO is the devil and shouldn't have existed, thus they wouldn't have tried to make XIV as different from XI as possible and thus not even ignore the basics. If they simply built off of FFXI like they should have, as in show they gained experience making and running two MMOs the past 9 years, things would have been a lot better.

But sadly, mere mention of their prior MMOs meets you with the equivalent of being told to repent.

how did they make it SO different? seriously? Hume,galka,mithra,taru,elf,chocbos,airships,magically teleporting from anywhere you want, only thing this game is different is they made the exp gain much easier besides that it is a copy.

go back to ffxi plz. you ruin NEW GAMES. if SE wanted to market you niche market, then they could have milked ffxi for another 5 years. get over it.

[Jennestia]

if SE wanted to market you niche market

This is exactly why Indie games are doing better and getting more popular to the point commercial developers are turning to them, it targets a niche market and ends up getting insanely popular to the point it does better than most commercial games in recent years.

So sorry to break it to you, but players only ruin games by asking for terrible suggestions, i.e making the game so easy and fruitless to play that people will be bored within hours, this is why Tera isn't out in NA/EU yet, because they know it will tank very hard in it's current state and it's not targeting a niche market.

[Isaveron]

This is exactly why Indie games are doing better and getting more popular to the point commercial developers are turning to them

Except it's only a handful of Indie games doing this, most end up failing just like big commercial titles.

[irongripz]

This is exactly why Indie games are doing better and getting more popular to the point commercial developers are turning to them, it targets a niche market and ends up getting insanely popular to the point it does better than most commercial games in recent years.

So sorry to break it to you, but players only ruin games by asking for terrible suggestions, i.e making the game so easy and fruitless to play that people will be bored within hours, this is why Tera isn't out in NA/EU yet, because they know it will tank very hard in it's current state and it's not targeting a niche market.

go play indie ty cya bye, i guess this game must be hard to a nub like you lol

[Jennestia]

go play indie ty cya bye, i guess this game must be hard to a nub like you lol

I agree, the game is "hard to play" since in your own words, it's broken. So which is it? Broken or hard?

[irongripz]

So the game is apparently too hard, but broken and easy. No wonder XIV did poorly at launch.

where did i say the game was hard? niche market scrubs and a man that made a game for them is reason the game failed at launch.