Anyone ELSE feel that mentors are a blight on society...?

[shape]

Bad player becoming a mentor = a bad Mentor
Toxic crap = you guessed it Toxic piece of crap Mentor
Neutral guy= ok mentor but only in for the crown
Good/nice player = an amazing Mentor

the majority of mentors are going to be the Neutral like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szjMs3qkozI

[AngelCheese77]

Added on to that fact is the reality that the beginning of XIV (like most MMORPGs) is a tedious exercise in "run here, talk to [x], go somewhere else, talk to [y], kill 4 boars and bring back their butts, repeat" <...>

I would seriously give someone money to make quests where I have to bring boars butts to an NPC.

[BlastHardcheese]

Yes.

I've been playing for almost a year now and Mentors are by far the most toxic people I've encountered. They don't help or give advice or anything, they just do it so they have the crown symbol next to their name.

I've been playing the game for almost 4 years now and the playerbase are by far the most toxic people I've encountered. They don't help themselves or heed advice or anything they just tell you to "shut up tryhard f####t" when you politey explain mechanics they're falling and wiping the group with.

Toxic people from both sides ruin everything my crown has generally become "I'm here if you want to ask me questions but I'm not risking you blowing up at me for unsolicited advice."

[Joe777]

I've been playing the game for almost 4 years now and the playerbase are by far the most toxic people I've encountered. They don't help themselves or heed advice or anything they just tell you to "shut up tryhard f####t" when you politey explain mechanics they're falling and wiping the group with.

Toxic people from both sides ruin everything my crown has generally become "I'm here if you want to ask me questions but I'm not risking you blowing up at me for unsolicited advice."

You must get all the bad crowds then. I rarely ever deal with toxic people in this game as opposed to any free to play game I've ever tried. Or perhaps your opinion is largely influenced by the forums? The community in Coeurl isn't without its bad apples but it has many good ones, and I'm sure there are other servers like ours. The Duty Finder can be both a good and bad thing...

[BigRed5392]

my crown has generally become "I'm here if you want to ask me questions but I'm not risking you blowing up at me for unsolicited advice."

I've never seen that, most i see is sprouts asking for help, and people telling them "google it" no tips, website links. I've seen people shove advice down peoples throats, acting like their polite and helpful when really they come off abrasive and harsh for no reason. Instead of offering to give advice, they force it.

rule of thumb, never give advice with out asking, it comes off as rude and makes people feel embarrassed or bad or feel like you are telling them off. The crown is what you say it is "help im here if you ask questions" It isn't for you to critique people, and school them.

Ever think the people who are failing and wiping feel bad enough? why rub it in their face with "advice"?


also to OP, the Goblin NN is actually pretty helpful. I've seen them help others in all sorts of content, or more then willing to be a friendly ear to talk to. I've seen people answer question instead of saying "google it". Just there are some jerk, but jerks are jerks.

[BlastHardcheese]

rule of thumb, never give advice with out asking, it comes off as rude and makes people feel embarrassed or bad or feel like you are telling them off. The crown is what you say it is "help im here if you ask questions" It isn't for you to critique people, and school them.

Ever think the people who are failing and wiping feel bad enough? why rub it in their face with "advice"?

That's kind of the attitude I was referencing with my previous hyperbole.

If there's a new player bonus message and people repeatedly die to mechanics, it's safe to assume someone doesn't know mechanics. In that instance I think anyone should be offering advice, mentor or not. It helps if you don't particularly aim it at anyone then if someone messed up they get the "oops, that's my bad" internal monologue rather than feeling scalded.

Also, theres a distinct difference between "you need to run away from the charge there or you'll die" and "fkn noob [insert aggressive rant]" I'm of the former persuasion.

We all should be helping each other regardless, no point pre judging people because they have a sprout or a crown icon.

[Vahlnir]

We all should be helping each other regardless, no point pre judging people because they have a sprout or a crown icon.

As a mentor, I will offer advice but only if someone either speaks up, or no one says anything and we see what happens and it goes poorly. I won't claim to be perfect though, sometimes I get dropped into a trial I haven't done for a long time and don't remember much...and yes, like everyone sometimes I lack patience. If that's the case however I won't be rude, I will simply leave whenever I've had my fill...and wish the group the best of luck before I go. An example was a Garuda Ex a few days ago, new people of course had queued, including a tank. No problem, they were polite and asked for tips, which I gave them, along with another person who remembered a bit more than I did. I'd say most of the group had things down pretty well, but the one tank just couldn't generate enough hate to do anything, and we kept wiping on add phase with Suparna and Chirada. They refused to use their own abilities, and it was obvious. Spent most of the lockout trying to get SOMETHING to work, but it was no use since that tank clearly didn't know their class. They didn't seem to take any advice either that was given by me or the other person who were explaining things. I won't claim to be a pro, and I haven't touched PLD since SB launch, but they didn't even do what I know they could. Ended up leaving with about 20min left on the timer. Sometimes things just don't work out. I wasn't a jerk...I really did try to help that tank who was, in all honesty, the only reason the group didn't clear. But...hopefully they took this experience and went and learned their class some. Point is, mentors are only human and can only do so much. Sometimes it falls on the people we try to teach. Can't teach something to people who aren't willing or able to learn. Good mentors do exist, though none of us are perfect. I'm not the best mentor in the world, but I do what I can whenever I can.

[RitsukoSonoda]

If they have a question and ask it I'll give them an answer if it's about mechanics, a duty, or where to locate something. Otherwise I expect them to think and figure things out like I did when I did something the first time. But then I grew up in an environment that put focus on active thinking, awareness, and problem solving rather than spoon feeding answers to children. There's no problem with mistakes as long as you learn from them.

I do however depending on my mood point out when someone is using job skills incorrectly. Example being new tanks spamming provoke on enemies they already have top enmity on because they think its increasing their enmity further.

[Altena]

I DON'T agree. I THINK that the MENTOR system is FINE, with a FEW adjustments.

[BigRed5392]

That's kind of the attitude I was referencing with my previous hyperbole.

If there's a new player bonus message and people repeatedly die to mechanics, it's safe to assume someone doesn't know mechanics. In that instance I think anyone should be offering advice, mentor or not. It helps if you don't particularly aim it at anyone then if someone messed up they get the "oops, that's my bad" internal monologue rather than feeling scalded.

Also, theres a distinct difference between "you need to run away from the charge there or you'll die" and "fkn noob [insert aggressive rant]" I'm of the former persuasion.

We all should be helping each other regardless, no point pre judging people because they have a sprout or a crown icon.

may want to take a step back and learn how to give advice first.

this is how: "hey mind oi give you some advice?" "want tips?"

"you need to run away from the charge there or you'll die" can be seen as rude just as much as "fkn noob [insert aggressive rant]" is this is something you may want to learn.

"you need to run away from the charge there or you'll die" can come off as you being frustrated, and seen as telling a person what to do. People do not like being told what to do.

If you took time to read what I wrote, and listen you would be following what you preach, but you are claiming my mindset is what you are explaining against.

You can't force people to learn, you can offer to help, and they have every right to refuse. People learn differently, and should be respected. If a person is willing to learn, they will strive to learn. If a person could care less, they won't. You forcing them to learn, is rude and becomes part of the problem.

If the party is not working together, or can't come to a friendly compromise, leave/disband vote abandon.

My g/f started ff14 in 1.0, main'ed monk till 2.0 when she found that she couldn't play it with the changes. She started to play Gladiator ff14 is the first time she played as a tank, so she was/is willing to take advice. yet All she got was crude treatment, and only "tips" was to "google it" no guide links, no youtube videos. And truth be told she had no computer to even look stuff up, and wanted easy to understand explanations. I've witnessed her get harassed so much over her tanking, that its crazy how rude people can be. I sat with her over voice chat for 4 years hearing her cry, her thinking she is the worst tank in the world over the fact she lost hate, or simply isn't fast enough.


She got bitter at the critiquing with no assistance, and woulds simply leave a dungeon at the first bad remark., or just straight up defend herself getting angry, she loves getting advice when she asks/asked if willing. It wasn't till finding the youtube channel "worktogame" (after she moved in with me) did she finally get better.

See what doesn't help is my g/f has ADD+ autism (Aspergers) she gets anxiety when criticized for every lil mistake, she isn't new to mmo but ff14 is different from past mmo.

tbh my G.f learns best by doing, not reading guides, but seems this community is a stickler for "must read guide b4 content"


the way i learn is research, i personally never had an issue, but i try to research. We are all different, we all learn differently. Just remember context matters because text doesn't present tone, your Polite, is another person snarky.


tlrd: there is a difference between offering advice and shoving it down people throats. "you need to avoid charge you you'll die" can be seen as shoving down throat. May want to explain how to avoid it btw.

If they have a question and ask it I'll give them an answer if it's about mechanics, a duty, or where to locate something. Otherwise I expect them to think and figure things out like I did when I did something the first time. But then I grew up in an environment that put focus on active thinking, awareness, and problem solving rather than spoon feeding answers to children. There's no problem with mistakes as long as you learn from them.

I do however depending on my mood point out when someone is using job skills incorrectly. Example being new tanks spamming provoke on enemies they already have top enmity on because they think its increasing their enmity further.

you can type that and not be pretentious. Not everyone ;earns the same way, the moment you think helping another player is akin to "spoon feeding children" you have really no business trying to help. (aka i though your post was rude, and not something we should promote)