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    Quote Originally Posted by Excaliburnina View Post
    Again, not everyone wants to sit and take what the devs are doing and submit by changing servers. Your *hypothetical situation* of it being unlocked and repeating a cycle is outweighed by the current *reality* of the server lacking vitality.
    Which, again, means that people are not being objective. Servers change over time. It's a natural part of any MMO's progression. Up until a few months ago, for instance, Mateus was a very small server. Now? It's a lot bigger and is one of the three main unofficial servers for role-play alongside Balmung and Omega.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Which, again, means that people are not being objective. Servers change over time. It's a natural part of any MMO's progression. Up until a few months ago, for instance, Mateus was a very small server. Now? It's a lot bigger and is one of the three main unofficial servers for role-play alongside Balmung and Omega.
    This is an inherently subjective topic. Enjoyment of a game is subjective, and it is entirely valid to provide subjective experiences as reason for something to change because the developers are partly responsible for enjoyment of the game they sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excaliburnina View Post
    This is an inherently subjective topic. Enjoyment of a game is subjective, and it is entirely valid to provide subjective experiences as reason for something to change because the developers are partly responsible for enjoyment of the game they sell.
    A lot of the 'debate' is simply revolving around blaming Square Enix. Not liking their solution does not mean it is invalid. It clearly served the intended purpose and now Gilgamesh is set to boast a much more manageable player population. As a bonus, people transferring away from Gilgamesh and Balmung has served to breathe new life into other servers. Some of which were struggling to maintain a reasonable player population before the new policies were put in place, hence why I brought up Mateus earlier.

    By all accounts, though, there's still plenty of people playing on Gilgamesh. So what, exactly, is stopping people from breaking into new social circles there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    A lot of the 'debate' is simply revolving around blaming Square Enix. Not liking their solution does not mean it is invalid. It clearly served the intended purpose and now Gilgamesh is set to boast a much more manageable player population. As a bonus, people transferring away from Gilgamesh and Balmung has served to breathe new life into other servers.

    By all accounts, though, there's still plenty of people playing on Gilgamesh. So what, exactly, is stopping people from breaking into new social circles there?
    I respect your point, it has caused players to transfer to other servers which I accept was their intention. But then, why is it fair for Gilgamesh to suffer for these advantages in other servers? Why is it not fair for people to have problems with this side effect and seek a different solution? It being a necessary evil is not fair, the people on Gilgamesh pay for the game all the same as the people that are beneficiaries to this lock. By statistics, which still don't correlate to the actual activity of the server, people are playing on Gilgamesh. A dying community that raidlogs is no place to form social circles, especially circles that have been broken up by the transfers and lack of new players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Excaliburnina View Post
    I respect your point, it has caused players to transfer to other servers which I accept was their intention. But then, why is it fair for Gilgamesh to suffer for these advantages in other servers? Why is it not fair for people to have problems with this side effect and seek a different solution?
    One would argue it's fair since we have a huge population or because at one point we were congested to the point of bloating.

    Though many seem to forget that a certain company allowed limitless transfers* into our server for a very long period of time.

    *Which they took your money for, I might add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Which, again, means that people are not being objective. Servers change over time. It's a natural part of any MMO's progression. Up until a few months ago, for instance, Mateus was a very small server. Now? It's a lot bigger and is one of the three main unofficial servers for role-play alongside Balmung and Omega.

    Actually Gilgamesh's RP scene has been dying for a long time. As of right now for RP your bets are Balmung, Mateus, and Omega. Though for new players it's actually only the last two, but Gilgamesh hasn't been considered one of the unofficial RP servers for a bit since a lot of the rpers on there packed up and moved to Balmung. The issue with no new blood is what a lot have pointed out, there is no one replacing these people that are leaving and it will collapse economies and there are several locked servers. As of right now Balmung and Gilgamesh are the only locked NA servers, but Japan and EU servers are locked to. I think the best solution is to open up new character creation so new players and those wanting to join and play with friends can get on them, but prevent the flood gates of people wanting to return from doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrankyl View Post
    As of right now Balmung and Gilgamesh are the only locked NA servers, but Japan and EU servers are locked to.
    No EU server is locked.
    There is no transfer to Omega, but it is open for new created characters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    No EU server is locked.
    There is no transfer to Omega, but it is open for new created characters
    I missed that, which is interesting... Then again the EU population is fairly evenly distributed so there isn't much SE would be able to do there. That said there are 7 Japanese servers designated as congested at the moment, I honestly wonder what the state of their communities and market boards are. Especially since RP isn't really a thing there so there is no RP community to sustain their servers through patch lulls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrankyl View Post
    I missed that, which is interesting... Then again the EU population is fairly evenly distributed so there isn't much SE would be able to do there. That said there are 7 Japanese servers designated as congested at the moment, I honestly wonder what the state of their communities and market boards are. Especially since RP isn't really a thing there so there is no RP community to sustain their servers through patch lulls.
    jp play differently then NA players.
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