I don't like the Ifrit battle: rant warning

[slipmac]

Eh... Animation lock isn't an issue if you know when to WS. You may think it's annoying to be stuck in the animation... but YOU CHOOSING TO WS, at one of the predictable intervals in which Ifrit uses an attack... is well your fault. It goes along with the whole 'being terrible' thing. I've found once you learn the intervals and get in the rythm, you can near spam WS all day long except for those small windows where you have to be careful.

I think player's expecting to be able to move freely right after they use a skill is the problem. You can argue whether or not its good or bad ( It's bad I know), but at the moment that is how the game is, and that is how the game is balanced. So it really is irrelavent. Complaining about it either means your ignorant of that mechanic, or you don't understand how the encounter works. Either implies you're terrible.

Also.... OFCOURSE stacking vitality and defense won't help you and OFCOURSE you can't block ifrit's attacks! They are ELEMENTAL! You can get more HP through vitality but that defense is worthless. And you would know this... unless you're terrible.

I would go on, but I think I've made my point?

Edit: No I have one more... It's possible to beat Ifrit without cross classing any skills, its even possible to do it without any gear! For everything you think you need to beat ifrit just demonstrates how terrible you are.

yes yes yes everyone is terrible we get it.
i mean its only a final fantasy game why would stats matter?
this is the most retarded post ive ever seen
according to you vit and def and blocking are worthless.
then whats the point of a glad class if everything they have is worthless
the only thing worthless i see here is your post.

[Roaran]

Stats DO matter, they improve your character's effectiveness. A good player who defeats ifrit with no gear, will be even more effective with gear.

Now, then, is it necessary for all fights for shield to play some role? Or is it allowed this one particular fight where elemental resistances play a larger role?

My post may be useless to you if you do not try or are unable to comprehend it and the reasoning behind it.

[Tiraelina]

Sounds to me like GLA needs an effective offensive option (IE Offhand Sword) or they should just be the superior tank all around. Other games have already gone through this and either didn't change and all the tanks started rolling DPS to tank on or devs stepped in and rectified it.

/e

I don't see much use coming out of PLD unless they really turn things around. Why are you going to bring the lower DPS tank when you can have the higher DPS one without any issue?

[Physic]

Sounds to me like GLA needs an effective offensive option (IE Offhand Sword) or they should just be the superior tank all around. Other games have already gone through this and either didn't change and all the tanks started rolling DPS to tank on or devs stepped in and rectified it.

/e

I don't see much use coming out of PLD unless they really turn things around. Why are you going to bring the lower DPS tank when you can have the higher DPS one without any issue?

If warrior doesnt have access to glad skills, it wont be able to come close to glad, or paladin at tanking. sentinel is hax, obsess, no access to a short cool down provoke like skill, no access to a short cool down provoke like skill,which is a lot of endgame stuff.

now a marauder is probably still going to be a viable tank, but most likely if glad can hold hate better, and reduce damage more, it will be prefered so that DD can do even more dmg

though i would like to see a DD option for glad. dual wield al a spartacus or 2 handed sword might be cool, but ehhh prolly wont happen anytime soon.

my guess is warrior will probably be mrd/lnc so it will be a little more dps oreinted,

[Madruk]

Gladiator is a worthless class right now. Whether 1.20 fixes that is yet to be determined.

You guys also misunderstand how the armory system originally was designed. You were meant to level more than 1 job to acquire needed skills. That's going out the window more or less with the new dev team.

Animation lock is dumb and would fix 99% of the complaints (the other 1% being sentinel), other than that Ifrit is quite enjoyable.

[Dragon]

rant three: i dont like the fact its more about where you stand and how fast you can move on a laggy as hell server then about stats, enfeebles, and debuffs

I think this is the only thing I agree with the OP on, but that's not an issue with Ifrit at all.

i just said this somewhere else, but you are dead wrong on marauder and pugilist not needing those skills. Getting hate and handling hate are integral parts to making those jobs make sense, and second wind (healing ability) is a keystone of the martial artist/monk archetype not just in FF but in most appearances of martial arts fighters in games/stories.

i think a lot of you gladiators dont get that you were not, and really should not, be the only class that can tank/have any defensive abilities. Play marauder and pugilist more, and you ll see that having these skills is integral to half of the playstyle they present.

Glad specialty is one on one damage mitigating tanking, with a focus on using a shield, the problem is they currently screwed up your shield play.

mrd is a dmg/tank brute like charachter, focused on multiple monster tanking while doing dmg

pug is single target dps/tank focused on evasion, debilitation and distraction as well as hp recovery rather than damage mitigation.


now when you as an overall tank want to incorporate some of these tanking styles into your own, then it makes sense you should have to level those jobs (or study those type of playstyles)

like getting warmonger from the aoe tank class, or getting the enmityless distraction skill of taunt, or getting the mind over body self healing power of a martial artist

Thank you for saving me the time of a response.

[Lucifer]

I don't like hack and slash mechanics in my mmorpg's either.
I want to use barfire/reflect/shell and other defensive spells to mitigate damage instead of just running from it. That's why I'm playing an mmorpg after all..

[zaviermhigo]

The thing besides the system issues that ruins this fight tends to be the players, there's a lot of "its fine with this cross class ability it will cover up the fact that we absolutely suck at playing our own class." People find every excuse possible to grab more abilities when they just have too many 50s and actually never concentrated on learning how to play one of them. its the same reason my thm is treated like a bastard step child of back up cure maging, people unwilling to learn how to play thm or even learn what it can do. (cross classing is good and necessary but when everyone in your party is required to have 1 skill even if its outside of DoW or DoM for them, thats ridiculous, and just trying to make the fight as easy mode as possible)

Things like the towers that appear, has anyone tried smashing all of them, since people say only do 1 or 2, but I'm assuming with all broken that move will do little to no dmg.

To say Gladiator is a useless class right now is ridiculous, it can still tank things other classes including mrd and pug could not dream of tanking, its just with Ifrit that MRD is a little better, people do this with Gladiator's all the time still. Ridiculous to say Gladiator is trash, just due to it not being as good at one thing. There are certain aspect of the class that are gimped but I play with a Gladiator everyday all the time, he's my boyfriend, and he's a great tank, if the Gladiator you are or play with seems trash he probably just is trash, its not his class.

[Frein]

I don't like hack and slash mechanics in my mmorpg's either.
I want to use barfire/reflect/shell and other defensive spells to mitigate damage instead of just running from it. That's why I'm playing an mmorpg after all..

No, that'd be why you'd play a turn based RPG. MMORPGs have rarely been like this since WoW was released back in 2004.

Things like the towers that appear, has anyone tried smashing all of them, since people say only do 1 or 2, but I'm assuming with all broken that move will do little to no dmg.

It's been tested and turns out it's pretty much a waste of time as the damage goes down very little past the first pillar.

[Lucifer]

No, that'd be why you'd play a turn based RPG. MMORPGs have rarely been like this since WoW was released back in 2004.

Rarely? There's a multitude of MMORPG's that continue to stay true the genre.
Unfortunately they are not of high quality or innovative which is truly unfortunate. Everyone seems to be looking for a quick buck.