Housing Improvements · Post Your Ideas Here

[Ayirez]

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You monster! lol

If what you say is true and you do own 6 houses, how did you manage that, and, how do you feel about how 5 other people can't partake in housing cause of it? I won't judge your character just on your greed alone, I'm willing to have a conversation and try to understand your side of things, it just sounds pretty absurd is all.

[Sargonius]

Thats exactly what i call greedy and selfish....
For your own profit, some people cant even have one......

[Alien_Gamer]

Why someone choses to have multiple houses is irrelevant. He put the work into it and bought them, therefore he gets to use them. That you don't have one is the fault of SE for not creating enough supply, not the player for buying them.

[Ayirez]

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I can see both aspects you two bring up. Obviously I too believe that the housing market is quite absurd at the moment and that for someone to have six houses at once indeed ruins the game for at least 5 other players, or even an FC full of people. On the other hand, I also can respect the notion of working hard and earning yourself things you desire, I think everyone likes to believe that's possible both In-Game and out. However, putting the blame completely on SE is where I'd disagree. SE does deserve blame, they designed a system that can be easily abused, an oversight that they've never addressed and may not address even in the coming patches. But they do have *some* measures in place, a character can only own one personal house for a reason. Thus, by making alt characters that Wolftamer may not even intend to play, but simply add his main as a roommate and have complete control over the houses himself, he has played the system and has still taken up houses he undoubtedly knows others would love to have. Like I said before, that doesn't make him innately an awful person, he played within the limits of the system, but it's still an exploitative action that has cost multiple people an experience they should've had the chance to have.

It of course rests squarely on SE's shoulders to fix this issue, and how they choose to do so (if they do at all) will be revealed in time. For now we can simply suggest things to them and their team and hope, pray even, that they take some of the good ideas and make them their own.

[Alien_Gamer]

Alt characters can't make other alts tenants because you have to be on the friend list to do that so there is no direct control by one character for all the houses.

SE very purposefully created this game to let one character do everything at once and to allow for players to have more than one character. This effectively means, in the eyes of SE, that every Alt is a different character completely separate from every other character. Alts share nothing from achievements to items to currency to anything innately. The only workaround for this is to use an intermediary (FC chest, a separate account) to transfer things to an alt, but that is just using the system as intended because your Alt is considered no different than a character on another account.


Based on SE's design that all Alts are separate, having an Alt buy a house is not an abuse of anything nor is it an exploitation, its using the system at its designed to be used. The failure is not in how alts are handled, the failure is in the lack of housing to meet the demand. For SE to make it one house per account would run counter to some of the very fundamental concepts they used to build the game, I don't think thats going to happen...it may not actually be possible for it to happen depending on how the game is built. What is possible and what SE is willing to do is increase the number of wards, or maybe instance housing.

I also reject the notion that the game is ruined for 5 other players because of it. They're locked out of intercrossing with gardens and airships, thats it. If thats a person's main reason for playing and not having access to it is ruining their experience then I think they've got bigger problems than housing. Not having a house sucks, I won't dispute that but really, not having one is an inconvenience at worst. That said, I do honestly hope SE finds a way to give housing to everyone and all their alts.

[Ayirez]

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Interesting points you've made, and I am familiar with how alts don't share anything with one another innately. You are however making many assumptions in your reasoning, some of which any of us have the information for.

1) SE's intentions were when designing FFXIV: ARR were quite clear; to use what they had to remake the game so that it wouldn't die off. They of course added more and changed things as well, but they used the base coding from the original FFXIV. This creates what is called spaghetti code, basically code that references and uses bits from all over the place and ends up being extremely messy. This is the most likely cause of alt characters being completely separate from one another as creating a single character variable and assigning it various information is vastly easier than creating an array of character variables that each have intermingled information between one another. The limitations of technology have and always will hold us back, whether it's hardware, software, or just our own disorganization. So to say that they intended for the system to be this way isn't quite accurate, the system is the way it is most likely because it was easier to do at the time and to do quickly. But it's been over four years now, they've had time to assess things and figure stuff out, who knows if they've cleaned up the programming since.

2) While you're right, FFXIV isn't ruined for people, as there is much much more to the game than only housing, I simply meant that an aspect that they, and an enormous amount of others, wanted to partake in is blocked from them because of a single person. Whether it's right or wrong isn't for me to judge, that's SE's job. However, you say they're only locked out of crossbreeding crops and airships which is true, but you forgot a pretty important piece of the puzzle behind housing.. having a house and a home, to decorate and have fun with, to see what furniture you can collect or create, which in and of itself can create massive goals that span hours to achieve (or long). I made a rug for my apartment a couple days ago and it took me two hours to figure out where I'd have to get the mats from, and the mats of the mats, some of which I couldn't get and had to buy off the market board, and after I finally got it all together and made it I then placed it in my apartment and felt fantastic, it looks great and the size is perfect for what I wanted, thankfully. Housing is more than just a garden or airship where you can do some fancy things and earn a ton of gil. It can have emotion for people, it can be a place where friends meet up and hang around while in queue, it can be something you change up every season and show off, and overall it's something that is fun. And while it may not have been malicious and was within the system's boundaries to do, buying six houses all for ones self still prevents others from having all the fun it can bring.