Snailfish Oil Rotation Discussion (regarding the Maker's Mark Rotation)

[Caimie_Tsukino]

After I posted this thread, I started using less and less HQ mats, and I find myself liking the use of Patient Touch during the PBP phase... so now I favor the use of SH II, PBP, PBP, PBP, Patient Touch. If it fails, I'll Patient Touch it again. It seems to work quite nicely, and now I can use only 1 HQ aethersand to HQ my Snailfish Oil.

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Does anyone know for sure whether the "Miracle + Brow" approach is better than the "more touches at IQ11 and then Blessing" approach?
Maybe I will look into this myself later... could be interesting...

[Ostwar]

Does anyone know for sure whether the "Miracle + Brow" approach is better than the "more touches at IQ11 and then Blessing" approach?
Maybe I will look into this myself later... could be interesting...

My quality route starts off with 2 patient touches under SH2, with luck I get to 5 IQ stacks right away (yes RNG, but worth it). If I get those stacks I can reach 11 IQ for Miracle and rebuild up to 9 stacks for Brow, both under GS. Hard to beat that with just Blessing. I can reliably hit 100% Quality with 4k starting quality, but I usually go for 6-8k for padding.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Does anyone know for sure whether the "Miracle + Brow" approach is better than the "more touches at IQ11 and then Blessing" approach?
Maybe I will look into this myself later... could be interesting...

So I did look into it myself, and I answered my own question. I believe the "Miracle + Brow" approach IS STRONGER, in general.

My control was at 1251.

At IQ11, I did the following:

Finisher Phase Variant A:
SH II, GS, Ingen2, Innov, Miracle (IQ down to 6), GS, Brow.

Finisher Phase Variant B:
SH, GS, Ingen2, Innov, Blessing.

In Variant A, the Miracle gave 9540. The Brow gave 5021. Total = 14561.
In Variant B, the Blessing gave 11448.
The quality difference between the two variants = 3113.

Variant A needed a total of 167 CP.
Variant B needed a total of 128 CP.
The CP difference between the two variants = 39 CP.

At IQ11, my Prudent Touch or Hasty Touch under Ingen1 gives 1487. Thus, you can imagine if I am using Variant B (with Blessing), I must do two at least 2 more Touches under Ingen1 at IQ11 to be just on par with Variant A. And I have an extra 39 CP to do that. Prudent Touch cost 21 CP. Thus, even two of them will cost 42 CP. Chances is that 39 CP is not going to be enough for 2x Prudent (especially we need these touches to be under SH II and Ingen1). It is more likely that we'll just end up with 2 extra Hasty Touches instead. Because Hasty Touches are not 100% secure, it seems difficult for us to do enough with that extra 39 CP to obtain 3113 more quality in Variant B.

Therefore, I believe Variant A is stronger, in general.

In conclusion, we should save up 167 CP to do the "Miracle+Brow" ending instead of saving 128 CP for the "Blessing" ending.

However, if one runs into a situation where there're plenty of durab left, but just not enough CP, one could forfeit the Miracle+Brow approach to immediately gain access to 39 more CP. By activating SH II at least, one can at least push 5 more steps of Hasties to burn off those extra durab (hopefully add up to ~3K quality). And then proceed to the 128CP-Blessing finish.

[Lyraele]

Finisher Phase Variant A:
SH II, GS, Ingen2, Innov, Miracle (IQ down to 6), GS, Brow.

Finisher Phase Variant B:
SH, GS, Ingen2, Innov, Blessing.

In Variant A, the Miracle gave 9540. The Brow gave 5021. Total = 14561.
In Variant B, the Blessing gave 11448.
The quality difference between the two variants = 3113.

Variant A needed a total of 167 CP.
Variant B needed a total of 128 CP.
The CP difference between the two variants = 39 CP.

Is variant A really worth it given Brow's 30% failure rate and not covered by SH2?

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Is variant A really worth it given Brow's 30% failure rate and not covered by SH2?

As of Patch 4.05, Brow now has 100% success rate when used by a Specialist.
For more details of other changes of skills, please visit:
Caimie's Crafting Guide (Part 4 Stormblood)
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-advanced-crafting-guide-part-4-stormblood-by-caimie-tsukino.194/
It is not a completed guide yet, but it does hold some useful information including all the changes of old skills in Ch 53.

[Lyraele]

Oh wow. I did not know that. Off to the guide to get edumacated! Thanks!