Divine Benison and Plenary Indulgence question

[Ghishlain]

To add to all the above posts, you only generate a Lily or PI stack when you're in combat and the requisite heal actually heals HP. You can't heal someone who's already at 100% HP and generate a Lily or Confession Stack.

Also, even though the potency of DB doesn't go up when it consumes more Lily's, the ability itself still gains the CDR bonus from consuming X lilies from the Secret of the Lilies trait.

Typically speaking, you just want to use PI and DB when you have the necessary resources and the effect is meaningful. This is much more straight forward for DB but for PI, sometimes there isn't a follow up AoE so the additional healing feels kinda pointless at times. I know there have also been some suggestions to use PI as a topper for your MT even if it generates overheal from the rest of the party and I don't see anything wrong with this logic either outside of you, as the WHM, is closely trailing the tank in enmity.

[Risvertasashi]

My problem with DB is that I always have assize on CD and since it always eats any Lillie’s for the lower CD time, I never pay attention to how many Lillie’s I actually have.

In extreme and savage content, it can pay to remember when you can generate a lilly to have DB up for the tank. (Well, gear levels are higher now so maybe not as much). Since lillies are no longer RNG you can do this with 100% consistency.

Also, even though the potency of DB doesn't go up when it consumes more Lily's, the ability itself still gains the CDR bonus from consuming X lilies from the Secret of the Lilies trait.

But, let's be real.... CDR on DB is never useful. It's a 15% shield and you can guarantee you can use it for 600 MP, and worth using for this alone. DB's useful, but the CDR isn't.

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Anyways, I wouldn't worry about "wasting" extra lillies. Just use your abilities when they make sense.

To the OP: Both these abilities are things that shine more in hard content. Regular dungeons just don't have enough outgoing damage (especially party damage) to get much mileage out of them.

[Ghishlain]

But, let's be real.... CDR on DB is never useful. It's a 15% shield and you can guarantee you can use it for 600 MP, and worth using for this alone. DB's useful, but the CDR isn't.

My comment was more about how the trait does still affect DB since there seems to be a misconception that DB consuming more than one Lily has no effect - though admittedly no effect and very minimal effect can be pretty similar too.