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  1. #12471
    Player
    Texa's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Texa Yuu
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    Diabolos
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Just left a strange Titan ex that I got on mentor roulette.

    People kept getting knocked off by upheaval, even me, and I wasn't sure why because I usually never see that. Now this would've been simple enough to look up, but I have a dumb brain that can't do words good and kept forgetting the name of the attack I was hit with that knocked me off. But I did tell the tank repeatedly he needs to keep Titan in the same spot, while the tank argued that he doesn't and that the granite gaol's are what's supposed to keep people from falling off. After I did figure out what the attack was and that we need Titan to not be taken on a walk around the arena the tank pulled multiple times before I could phrase it coherently which honestly does take me longer than it would for most people.

    I ended up leaving. I'm frustrated that I'm bad at explaining things and that I couldn't help better.
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  2. #12472
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    Heliantheae's Avatar
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    Ekhi Ysengrim
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    I was two carbon twines away from full 130 gear on my SAM so I hopped on my WHM and queued for MS. CM of course. Tank pulls one group off the light and stops. We pull them and pulls the other light and that's it. At that point I noticed I have more HP than them. Look at their gear. Wearing the AF1 set minus the chest piece. Even with the small pulls the run didn't take any longer then normal. Really top notch DPS. But then before the last boss, one of the tanks pulled half the giants.That was exciting. Anyway after the run, went to Mor Dhona for my twine and there was one of the tanks buying new gear. I thought that was a funny coincidence.
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  3. #12473
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterysword View Post
    24man healers doing loldrg impressions
    I feel like when I'm new to content is like the only time I bring Esuna nowadays. Or if I know there's a cleansable debuff (like Doom) that I can't just throw a regen on and forget about which is almost never.

    This Medica II obsession that so many WHM's seem to have is baffeling to me. I used to see people say it and assume they were exaggerating but I've finally gotten to do some 24 man content lately and in some of those fights healers often seem to aggregate in one place.

    Point is I saw a WHM from another alliance actually chaincasting Medica II. Their tank was the MT as well! Why in the name of all that is Holy (lol Holy joke, so edgy, much cool) must you spam an expensive AoE healing spell when your tank is basically the only one taking damage?

    Well, someone actually asked this WHM in Alliance chat about it. Their response? "Wasnt on all party members" ...

    ......... huh?

    Here, this AoE doesn't seem to hit everything... How about now? How about now? Now? How about now? This WHM was basically the FFXIV version of the old Verizon comercial "can you hear me now?" guy. Except they weren't smart enough to move between tests. What did you think carried the HoT to them? Your poor SCH cohealer's fairy or sheer persistance?

    I don't know if they're alone in this or what but either way the repeated Medica II's need to die.
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  4. #12474
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    Spiroglyph's Avatar
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    Soft Boiled
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    I'm usually against RDMs using vercure whenever they have a dualcast up, as that's... wasteful at best, unless your team's healer is struggling.

    BUT

    If you're in an alliance where everyone and their mom is dying, all healers and tanks down, and boss almost dead - would it KILL you to rezz at least your own team's healers and throw a manashift their way? Last time I was in Rabanaste I was teamed with both a SMN and a RDM, the entire thing was a slaughterhouse, and I was on rez duty all the time while they happily ignored everything going around.

    Seriously, why?

    You don't have to spend that much time healing, just throw out some rezzes since you have access to them and your entire team is tanking the floor?

    Stg, the wipes that could be prevented if people didn't toss all their utility skills off of their hotbars lmao

    A huge screw you to the bard as well, not a single refresh the entire bloody run.
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  5. #12475
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    Mysterysword's Avatar
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    Siesta Fiesta
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I don't know if they're alone in this or what but either way the repeated Medica II's need to die.
    After that Dun Scaith run, I went as WAR for 50/60 roulette. Sohr Khai, again with a WHM, then a DRG and SAM.

    I... don't think I ever once saw this WHM cast Holy. Or Assize. Their main idea of healing involved stacking Medica II and Regen, then standing around until two mobs were left and maybe throwing out an Aero III.

    Thankfully, both the DRG and SAM were good enough at AoEs. I just wasn't willing to deal with any more Medica II WHMs, so I mass-pulled throughout the entire dungeon. WAR is surprisingly fun now that I don't have to juggle stacks anymore.

    Also good: WAR's self-healing abilities, since this WHM got themselves killed at the pegasus boss, when they got knocked into the water, and decided casting Medica II was more important than, say, an Esuna, a Tetragrammaton, or a Benediction. Once again, good DPS ensured the boss died before I did as well. Isn't it funny how good DPS can make up for crappy healing or tanking? Yet people dismiss it as unimportant, as a matter of course.
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    Last edited by Mysterysword; 10-15-2017 at 07:01 PM.

  6. #12476
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    PharisHanasaki's Avatar
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    Sodapop Jam
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    Jenova
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    If you're in an alliance where everyone and their mom is dying, all healers and tanks down, and boss almost dead - would it KILL you to rezz at least your own team's healers and throw a manashift their way? Last time I was in Rabanaste I was teamed with both a SMN and a RDM, the entire thing was a slaughterhouse, and I was on rez duty all the time while they happily ignored everything going around.
    Ha. I had 3 red mages on my party the first time I did it. Only one of them would raise either healer. There was an unfortunate time where my co healer and this helpful red mage died, I had 0 mana and the other 2 healers didn't even bother raising, let alone mana shifting me while popping their mp refresh to solely DPS.
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  7. #12477
    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterysword View Post
    I... don't think I ever once saw this WHM cast Holy. Or Assize. Their main idea of healing involved stacking Medica II and Regen, then standing around until two mobs were left and maybe throwing out an Aero III.
    Your sad, sad WHM stories make me hope I get you in a pug so that I can show you we aren't all lazy.

    I'm glad you're enjoying WAR though! They're my favorite tanks to heal. Nothing like Holy spamming for a while then filing up 70k HP at once with Benediction.

    As for not using Holy I have no clue. It is (IMO) our signature spell, not to mention some of the best trash pull mitigation in the game. Trying to make your job easy on WHM? Holy is like your bestie up there with Regen and Tetra.
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  8. #12478
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    PharisHanasaki's Avatar
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    Sodapop Jam
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    Jenova
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterysword View Post
    I... don't think I ever once saw this WHM cast Holy. Or Assize. Their main idea of healing involved stacking Medica II and Regen, then standing around until two mobs were left and maybe throwing out an Aero III.
    I've had plenty of WHM as co-healers who don't bother with Medica II, or at least Regen on the tank. It's always Cure I, Cure II or Cure III, and 0 DPS.

    Sad thing is I'm always scared to try and give them some tips that would help them and the party, because I've had some either STFU me, leave, or tell me I'm some elitist and shit.
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    Last edited by PharisHanasaki; 10-15-2017 at 07:11 PM.

  9. #12479
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Had a SMN in OS3 practice party today who refused to accept a raise if they died after someone else's mistake... Also never raised anyone and didn't use LB3 to get the group through a bad situation because "it shouldn't be needed". They started to accept the raises after I (the WHM) said that if they stop doing DPS after someone else makes a mistake, I should do the same with healing. It was an awful party in so many ways (mostly because of the really horrible attitudes) and I was really happy it disbanded fast. 2 people went directly on my blacklist (and I almost never blacklist anyone).
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  10. #12480
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    tinythinker's Avatar
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    Omi Senu
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    For my part, when I'm on WHM I try to let the tank get hate before healing and especially before using Regen, but sometimes they will keep pulling and pulling and their health is under 30% and they keep going for more... so yeah, I cast a Cure or Cure 2 to keep them from wiping. If they are decent they immediately grab the hate from the mobs I've triggered, if not, well, fun times. As for the oft cursed Medica 2, I try to use it if the party is regularly suffering from frequent AoE or takes a massive hit from a single AoE. Otherwise if it's just a moderate AoE blast here and there I use Medica 1 as needed and move on. As for healer DPS, well, that depends. If I can't keep the tank up without constant heals or a DPS keeps running into the fire, sorry, you might only get an Aero or Stone here and there if my attempt at Holy spam is going to cause a wipe.

    Well, I've been absent a while and decided to jump back in yesterday to get my i289 healer jobs some practice and move up the gear chain. DF is so unpredictable, though. And I've been in a whopping 367 instanced dungeons, raids, or trials so far spread out unevenly over a year and half, so sometimes I mix up bosses, etc. Thus I am always open to constructive advice. Yet as documented in this thread, who knows what kind of expectations people will bring, along with a good chance of passive-aggressiveness. So who knows what will happen...

    As for yesterday in DF...

    It was great!

    The 50/60 was Sastasha Hard I think, where the scorpion boss tosses DoTs and also drops a random player to 1 hp. That was rough because I panicked and forgot where Esuna was on my bar. The other three people were friends who had queued together and they took my blunder in stride, mentioning some of their own dungeon goofs. They liked that I admitted I was rusty but still willing to try double pulls. It was a good run. Next was leveling featuring the Aerie and a tank new to the dungeon. Went fine. Another run where everyone was in a good mood and willing to help teach. Only issue was that two people didn't know to run to Estenien's magic bubble until it was too late. Second try was no problem. In trials roulette a simple run of Infrit hard. Even tried the new raid roulette (I don't raid, I only had Labyrinth and Syrcus unlocked, each done once in spring 2016, as well as Fist of the Father that I've never tried). Got Syrcus, smooth as silk.

    So, hoping for another good DF day today. Wish me luck
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    Last edited by tinythinker; 10-16-2017 at 01:09 AM. Reason: edited for length

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