Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[BroodingFicus]

I'd gone a long time without running into any strange runs, outside a few with newer players that required a bit of extra attention, so I guess I was overdue.

My friend and I were in an Expert Roulette on Temple of Rhalgr with me healing as White mage and them on a Ninja. Everything up through the first boss seemed kosher. Tank was a bit squishy for the larger pulls but the walls were doing their job of keeping all that in check. Then suddenly after we defeat the first boss, the Dark Knight slams sprint and runs off, pulling everything from that boss until the next wall past the line AoE things. Now I've run the dang thing so many times, I know the pulls most people do and usually they stop at the point with the bear and the big aoe bird before moving on. Nope. Everything single thing pulled. I blow cool downs thinking 'ok we're dead' because her hp is going from 100% to 2% like a ping pong ball but by some miracle we seem to be managing it (bless WHM for their endless MP). Then the tank starts repeatedly spamming in chat 'Holy'. I ignore it a few times and then they resort to caps and I've had enough. Fine. I swiftcast and launch one holy off. Needless to say they die in the 2 secs it takes me to start trying to spam again and that's a wipe. We all start running back and they make some comment about me using it 'too late'. At which point my friend and the other dps inform the tank that they've never seen anyone do that pull. Ok. Good. I'm feeling better. I'm not the only one surprised they did that. Now surely we'll do the normal pull and-

They do it again. Only this time they grab all the mobs and then begin running back and forth around the corner just before the wall. They run out of my LoS several times but I manage to find a place backed up to the edge where I can see them the full route and start blowing cooldowns again. Only issue is our dps are a Ninja and a Dragoon and now they're having to chase the mobs too and obviously suffering a dps loss from missing positional skills etc. We pull of a miracle and get through the it but now we're all standing there confused. The interaction following goes like this:

Me: "Um....What was that???"
Tank: "It's called kiting."
Ninja: "....but kiting doesn't work. You were still getting hit."
Tank: "Well yeah. You need sprint."

I spend the rest of the run trying to work out the logic only to realize that the tank very clearly has it out for me after that. She goes so far as to intentionally kill me during the last boss. My friend had died near the end and hit respawn by accident but we clearly had it in the bag. Then the stack marker hits me and I move into where the tank is. At which point she hits sprint and books it. Yep. Dead. Boss dies, she leaves. The only half decent part of it was that as soon as she did the other DPS turns around and says "The hell was that?". Well and the fact that the following run we met some super nice Jenova players who were just the best party mates ever so maybe she burned all my bad vibes for a while.

[Miste]

Pretty much. In Dun Scaith, if the Queen's LB bar got too high, your party was not going to survive without shields. Same case for the chariot boss in Rabanastre. Woe is the party that gets two WHMs as their healers...

Yep. I've had both situations happen to me before in Dun Scaith and in Rabanastre. Was in the party who had double WHM and our group all died to those ultimates while the other groups who had shields were fine.

[raela]

So yeah sorry not going Nocturnal with a WHM is just not optimal. You are forgetting situations where not everything is going 100% with mistakes etc and depending on the content. I am not going to rally against an AST going diurnal in something where it 100% doesn't matter, but there are times it does.

Agree to disagree then. Diurnal AST still has Collective Unconscious, and if a tank is a dope about busters, they just need an instant heal (Tetra/Bene/ED/Lustrate) after. If the tanks/DPS are bad and the cohealer is good, there's the option to switch to Noct after a wipe, if shields are really going to save the day. I'm not saying that Noct doesn't have its place, but that WHM + Diurnal doesn't mean the AST is dumb. But as I said, I don't take AST to raids (I don't like the job), so mainly I'm on SCH, not pre-shielding for most busters, unless the tank appears to not use CDs.

[Lilseph]

I'd gone a long time without running into any strange runs, outside a few with newer players that required a bit of extra attention, so I guess I was overdue.

My God, sounds terrifying. It seems to me that some tanks have no idea what they are doing or just poorly mimicking what other tanks do.

However, that pull you describe is doable. I know because I do it too when I play tank. You grab all the things from the begining to the end. As a side note: I only do them when I queue up with friends. Although, granted... It looks scary because there are a lot of enemies together. In reality, it's not that bad: the small ones die really quick, leaving the bird (Which deals AoE damage, making it look even scarier), the bear and the 2 statues alive in the end. With that being said, the tank was bad if they think that kitting is an option in this game. It completely f*ks over the DPS, their AoE, their placed AoEs. Specially because you mentioned having a DRG, as they have a line AoE that might miss mobs if they keep moving. Having to chase everything around is infuriating. The best tanking is standing still, positioning the trash in a way they are well packed. Only moving when an AoE happens and then returning to said point afterwards. By the look of it, apparently they also had an extremely poor CD management, specially DRK since they are the dungeon kings.

In conclusion, bad tank. I'm sorry you had to go through it. .-.

[Miste]

if a tank is a dope about busters, they just need an instant heal (Tetra/Bene/ED/Lustrate) after.

I guess you've never seen a tank get one shotted by it. I have and I could do nothing about it because I was on WHM and no shields since Divine Benison isn't available for that level.

I mean if you argue content is so easy that you don't need shields then you could argue the same thing that double regens is not needed either.

I mean if content is so easy you don't need one or the other than why not go for the option that gives you both instead of just one. I don't understand that way of thinking, but I guess yeah agree to disagree.

[Slirith]

So I decided to do leveling roulette on conjurer to get to 30. Ended up having this tank who thought Haukke Manor could be done without cooldowns or stance while big pulling. Well, I mentioned this to the tank and they had the gall to say "stfu scrub*was much worse so I censored*". My thoughts during the rest of the run....

[Enla]

So I decided to do leveling roulette on conjurer to get to 30. Ended up having this tank who thought Haukke Manor could be done without cooldowns or stance while big pulling. Well, I mentioned this to the tank and they had the gall to say "stfu scrub*was much worse so I censored*". My thoughts during the rest of the run....

I hope you took screens because that's reportable. ): I'm sorry you had to deal with that.

[Slirith]

I hope you took screens because that's reportable. ): I'm sorry you had to deal with that.

I did report them. I know folks are thinking "Why didn't you vote kick them?"....It was declined and after that just didn't bother.

[Lilseph]

I did report them. I know folks are thinking "Why didn't you vote kick them?"....It was declined and after that just didn't bother.

I would have helped you to kick that person. We actually kicked a healer for a response like that. My GF was giving them advice because the WHM was clearly learning. Their response? "Idgaf bruh".

[Mysterysword]

So roulette drops me into Dun Scaith as PLD. By some trick of DF, my alliance consisted of 2 WHMs, 4 BRDs, and a RDM. In fact, all 6 healers for that run were WHMs. This is much less fun than it sounds, when all 6 of those WHMs only seem to know Medica II and use it incessantly.

Anyway, one of my alliance WHMs was new. Apparently this translates into "I don't even know how to use Esuna on Doom". Also apparently, none of the 4 BRDs knew that you can use Warden's Paeon on it as well. I'm glad I didn't MT for the run, because the WHMs spent their time tanking the floor while I threw out what heals I could.

Also annoying: the other WHM's raise macro, which ate up a good chunk of my chatbox every time they spammed it, and which made me want to kick in their teeth by the time we reached Diabolos.

Naturally, though, this led me to be rather wary of OTing anything, since when you have 2 continuously dead healers, you may just follow them yourself. Still, I tried. OTing Connor at Scathach turned out to be easy enough, since the DPS had the good sense to pile on it. I learnt new things about myself, though, at Diabolos Hollow. More specifically, that it is indeed possible to jump into the middle gate with only my alliance's DPS and kill the mob dead, with no healers available.