Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mysterysword]

So for fun, I dusted off my WAR and went tanking. I made sure to inform every party I landed in, of my lack of knowledge where WAR is concerned.

Leveling roulette. Stone Vigil, with a WHM using an ilvl 28-29 wand and targe. No big pulls then. All I can say about that run is that we didn't wipe. Also, the dungeon dropped us another, level-appropriate targe, the WHM immediately won it... and proceeded to not equip it. Of course.

[Luciel-Nyx]

24 mans never have enrages

Except of Dun Scaith's first boss with the tiles, at that point it basically is an enrage. But otherwise yeah.

Also, the Ivalice raid is super fun, even with all the wipes and all. I love healing it, the first runs were pushing us to the limit (with all the raises, mana and healing all the time I barely get to dps lol). Even had a run where we wiped about 4 times on the first boss and then about 10 times on the second where we had only 30 minutes left on timer, my gear was on 45 % and we still haven't beaten him... at that point abandon was a good idea. Still, fun - normally groups clear it with wipe here and there and I enjoy the fights thoroughly. Great raid! (I always loved 24-mans haha)

[TruebladeNuke]

Sounds like others had more luck then me when it came to their first run of Ivalice. My first run ended up in a "Vote Abandon!" thanks to a little over half the players in the said run basically being... jerks (to put it lightly) over the tiniest bit of struggle. At least others had more fun then me on their first attempts. I ended up dealing with rage quitters on my very first attempt on day 2 of patch week. :/ (I would have done this on patch day if I didn't have real life work to think about and didn't do the MSQ first, which took longer to finish then I thought this time)

To explain...

Being new to the raid during my first attempt, I of course had no bloody clue what to expect like many of the other players going through it on their first time. Thankfully, I pride myself on learning things fast. The first boss did give the alliance trouble, but we got it down on the second try. It wasn't until we reached the second boss that things started to go haywire. (And from the sounds of things, it seems the second boss is currently the hardest fight in this raid. The new Ozma perhaps?)

We end up dieing to the boss 2 times. (It was around that time I had noted how the boss's "Dash across the room" attack works. "Be on the side that doesn't have the glowy wing. Gotcha.") Moments after I had thought that, the MCH in my party throws some minor insults at me for my rez macro, but the amusing twist is that he claims he hates "all my macros"... when it's only the one. (Aside from the Caster LB I agreed to use when someone asked for the Caster LB on the golems... which ended up not being enough because too many others were dead and is what caused wipe #2, lol) I quick thought to myself "Would you rather I not raise people at all?" I'll admit though that my rez macro saw much more use this time around because... hey, people were dieing left and right. But even with that in mind, I can't really spam it because of how MP costly that is. And a Red Mage with no MP left is like any other spellcaster with no MP left... which is "I can't do anything!". I brushed it aside as a minor annoyance, as my mind was too focused on the attack patterns I've seen so far of the second boss, thinking up ways on how to best deal with the attacks.

It was at this moment that someone pointed out that the WAR of another alliance had just gone AFK to pick up the phone. Some people made polite jokes about that, while other people started getting... nasty about that. And then... it happens. Someone brings up the "Vote Abandon" menu. It's declined the first time around. Then we sit there a few minutes waiting for the WAR to finish his phone call. And then... some people begin to leave. Not very many though. We ended up getting enough replacements to make another attempt at it, after an impatient pull happened by a non-tank. Sadly, we wipe again on our third attempt. Moments after, the "Vote Abandon" window pops up AGAIN. This prompts someone to point out in alliance chat that "It's only day 2 of patch week guys...". And then suddenly more people leave, starting with our DRK. The MCH who talked smack to me is out the door within seconds the moment the Tank leaves. And some others begin to leave. Meanwhile, the WHM on our team breaths a sigh of relief. Me and the WHM end up discussing Tank cooldown use as the WHM points out that the DRK, who was MTing for us for this raid, wasn't even bothering to use his defensive cooldowns. I don't think I need to tell you why a Tank not using defensive cooldowns is a bad thing. As someone who more often Tanks and Heals runs over DPSing runs because of the way cue times usually are in almost all other duties, I'm quick to agree with the WHM on that and point out how it makes my own Tank and Healer jobs weep.

Did I mention throughout the said conversation, "Vote Abandon" popped up several more times? All declined of course. At this point though, over half of the entire alliance has left. We eventually filled in a good number of those slots (including getting a different DRK on our team). But after noticing that no one else is coming in to fill the empty slots on the remaining alliances, the people just finally agreed to hit "yes" on "Vote Abandon". I ended up leaving that raid with a very bitter taste in my mouth.

Thankfully, the second attempt was MUCH better. People still died a lot, and everyone, including myself, was going "What the heck do I do here!?" to the mechanics of the final boss, but we cleared it many deaths later. (Again, myself included. I don't think I've died that much to bosses in quite some time, lol) Interestingly, we didn't actually wipe to the final boss. The cherry on top was that unlike the spite I got last attempt, I recieved a lot of praise this time for my rezzing on RDM, leaving with 3 commends.

By the end of the day (and this post), I really just want to echo what someone said in the alliance chat in my first attempt at the new 24 man raid:

It's patch week. Patch week = "Prepare to die many deaths as you attempt to learn the mechanics!". It was only day 2 of patch week. And yet we're encountering people who think that people should know the new 24 man raid like the back of their hand and to be flawless masters already. I repeat, it's PATCH WEEK. Deaths are expected!

I think that's why I left with a sour taste in my mouth from the first attempt. Years later into FFXIV and now 2 expansions in, people are still abandoning just recently released content at the tiniest hint of trouble. It's sad that there's a few too many people in this community that really need to learn how to grow a spine. :/

[SaitoHikari]

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That sounds a lot like the run I had yesterday afternoon. At one point, we were down to like 4-5 people that were still alive and nobody had healer LB3 available, and somehow the remaining healers managed to get almost everyone back up and beat the boss with a minute and a half remaining on the clock.

I actually have video footage of this.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/181758533

The fight went to hell at around 1 hour and 52 minutes, and you get to see the recovery that eventually ended in victory when a bunch of people in the alliance had given up hope on clearing. It was really one of the most amazing things I had ever seen.

[MistakeNot]

It's patch week. Patch week = "Prepare to die many deaths as you attempt to learn the mechanics!". It was only day 2 of patch week. And yet we're encountering people who think that people should know the new 24 man raid like the back of their hand and to be flawless masters already. I repeat, it's PATCH WEEK. Deaths are expected!

I think that's why I left with a sour taste in my mouth from the first attempt. Years later into FFXIV and now 2 expansions in, people are still abandoning just recently released content at the tiniest hint of trouble. It's sad that there's a few too many people in this community that really need to learn how to grow a spine. :/

Some of the loudest complainers are likely people who think that other people should know the raid, so that they themselves can get carried. Although you'd never get them to admit that of course.

[Enla]

Some of the loudest complainers are likely people who think that other people should know the raid, so that they themselves can get carried. Although you'd never get them to admit that of course.

That's been my experience. Had a run I mentioned a few pages back where the person who kicked up the most fuss and proclaimed they were carrying everyone basically spent most of the second boss dead. All so they could spend the time yelling at someone who casually asked about a mistake that was made. Low and behold, kicking them didn't magically ruin the run. If anything the healer we got in return was ten times better and had none of the attitude to boot.

[KalinOrthos]

Some of the loudest complainers are likely people who think that other people should know the raid, so that they themselves can get carried. Although you'd never get them to admit that of course.

"What, you mean you CAN'T carry me through brand new content you know nothing about, so I can just be lazy? Why are you so bad? *raaaaage and salt*"

[Avatre]

Sounds like others had more luck then me when it came to their first run of Ivalice. My first run ended up in a "Vote Abandon!" thanks to a little over half the players in the said run basically being... jerks (to put it lightly) over the tiniest bit of struggle. At least others had more fun then me on their first attempts. I ended up dealing with rage quitters on my very first attempt on day 2 of patch week. :/ (I would have done this on patch day if I didn't have real life work to think about and didn't do the MSQ first, which took longer to finish then I thought this time)

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By the end of the day (and this post), I really just want to echo what someone said in the alliance chat in my first attempt at the new 24 man raid:

It's patch week. Patch week = "Prepare to die many deaths as you attempt to learn the mechanics!". It was only day 2 of patch week. And yet we're encountering people who think that people should know the new 24 man raid like the back of their hand and to be flawless masters already. I repeat, it's PATCH WEEK. Deaths are expected!

I think that's why I left with a sour taste in my mouth from the first attempt. Years later into FFXIV and now 2 expansions in, people are still abandoning just recently released content at the tiniest hint of trouble. It's sad that there's a few too many people in this community that really need to learn how to grow a spine. :/

My first run of it was a join in progress, at second boss...55min in. That was abandoned after one attempt after I joined(this was on patch day). Queue up again, get in again(turned off my join in prog so I could get a full run), and yes, there were a fair number of difficulties, but we managed to finish it(even learned the majority of the mechanics before...got to say the final boss has the most fun one to watch people screw up).

[Texa]

I didn't know the Atomos phase where people have to stand on pads had an enrage until my alliance hit it like 3 times today because someone in C wasn't looking at the chat.

[Sacred_Nym]

I didn't know the Atomos phase where people have to stand on pads had an enrage until my alliance hit it like 3 times today because someone in C wasn't looking at the chat.

Is this LotA or Weeping City? I have to know.