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    They have adjusted all actions and chosen the most effective ones for all classes. I think they did it the way that they will all be useful to a class.

    So before saying "I won't use this", "I won't use that", wait until you actually see what actions they have chosen for each class. You might end up using them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seyra View Post
    They have adjusted all actions and chosen the most effective ones for all classes. I think they did it the way that they will all be useful to a class.

    So before saying "I won't use this", "I won't use that", wait until you actually see what actions they have chosen for each class. You might end up using them all.
    That's almost impossible. Heck, even their example of four--count 'em, four!--weapon skills features at least one that I can rule out ever using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    That's almost impossible. Heck, even their example of four--count 'em, four!--weapon skills features at least one that I can rule out ever using.
    Making up 15 actions that will be always useful? Sounds like the opposite of impossible to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    Making up 15 actions that will be always useful? Sounds like the opposite of impossible to me.
    Then why can't SE make even four of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    Then why can't SE make even four of them?
    Because they can't create a solution against baseless assumptions.

    For this "useless" weapon skill, they will just create a trait which makes it better and add another weaponskill it can be comboed into/from with added utility. In the worst case, it will be too weak to be cross-classed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    Because they can't create a solution against baseless assumptions.

    For this "useless" weapon skill, they will just create a trait which makes it better and add another weaponskill it can be comboed into/from with added utility. In the worst case, it will be too weak to be cross-classed.
    Okay, let's take PGL. If they're trying to maintain any of the class identity at all, there's going to be an ability to boost evasion. This is useless if I'm in a party, because I'm not tanking. Unless maybe they put in a MP regen effect like what Featherfoot has. Oh, wait, that still only procs if you're tanking. And, again, part of the class identity at the moment is not just evading, but evade countering. Again, not something I'm going to be using in a group at all, and I only really play PGL in groups. Oh, and as far as DPS? I'm going to be using whatever combo does the most damage. Any sub-par weapon skills will be ignored. If a trait or some such comes along to boost one of the less useful ones up, that just means I'll be using it instead of the old best.

    So, no, the worst case is that it gets ignored on its own class, never mind being cross-classed. Pretty much the only way you'll see people using all of their available weapon skills is if they form one gigantic self-chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    That's almost impossible. Heck, even their example of four--count 'em, four!--weapon skills features at least one that I can rule out ever using.
    To clear my thought, I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right to think what they do. What my message really means is, you may have a thought on something but there are times to complain. Why doing it now while you can wait for the action list. This will be the time to complain if it doesn't suit you. But for now we know nothing except the number of actions and the fact that we won't be able to remove them. If by the release time the list has crap actions, actions you think you won't use or once in a blue moon then make your voices heard.
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