Housing Fans who have been upset: Cries Have Not Been Ignored Yet

[Cylla]

I honestly think it might be worth screenshotting and reporting even Reddit posts trying to sell houses if the player in question is mentioning their name/server.

That the problem, he's not. And I'm seriously hoping someone contact him to buy only to get his in-game name and report him for it.

[Balmung][Selling][Shirogane][30/60 Large] 2 For Sale, 600 Million Each

Don't think there anything SE can do to figure out who this player is and ban him or take away the houses and not give a single bit of his gil back for the plots he bought just to flip them.

I was seeing those PF's day of, like... and the disappointing part of it, is it's a seller's market, but when you got people just trying to snatch it so they can force an added cost on top of the systems cost... you've kind of gone more than a bit far....

Agreed. These people are abusing the system. They know they can get away with it. Half of me believes SE not enforcing their ToS against these players who are doing it, but they should be and like I said up above, the worst punishment for these people would be to have the houses removed from their accounts and not a single bit of gil back for buying them.

[Alacran]

As an ardent fan of not only the FF Series but also FFXIV, i can say i am disappointed in how housing was implemented. Even then i realized with prices as they were i would never have a home in FFXIV. Unfortunate for me i guess, i moved on, even with changes to the pricing algorithm, additions of sub- divisions, new wards, ect..., i knew housing was never going to be an option for me. However there are others who did the work for a shot, and the fact that the system is so broken, even now is not acceptable. I still love this game, but improvements must be made to this system.

With this in mind i offer an example of a much regarded housing system from another online game. (This is not meant to demean or chastise, only to offer possible ideas as to a problem too long existing.)

Game: Rift Online - Deminsions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIBWYA-zGFU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VBRLkQ0iR8

[Perogwin]

1 house per account would be a good solution too, yeah it would cause some rage but to hell with those who owns like 5 houses.

The problem is they would have to find a way to make the house account wide access, this game doesn't have a system in place for this.

[Perogwin]

With this in mind i offer an example of a much regarded housing system from another online game. (This is not meant to demean or chastise, only to offer possible ideas as to a problem too long existing.)

Game: Rift Online - Deminsions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIBWYA-zGFU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VBRLkQ0iR8

Even better then that, look at ESO system - more house variety and interior design options, each house is account wide and fully accessible and changeable by all characters on the account, they are unlimited in number so you never run out of lots, and each account could own 1 of every style house with no issue if they so desired to spend the money.

[Altena]

They just needed to inflate the prices substantially.

There is more and more gil on the servers as patches go on, because of the lack of gil sinks.
Without meaning to offend, the ease of earning the gil to afford a house is far too easy compared to when the original wards opened.
A huge part of the issue is that a very large portion of the community CAN afford a house.
Pair that with the limited resources due to the system / server limitations - you have a complete bumrush of every person and their dog are able to buy one, trying to log on at the same time.

My overall point is that the demand is huge, and the cost of purchasing a house is scaled far too low for the supply - partly due to the amount of gil that is sitting in people's pockets these days.

Only solutions is to bump up the supply (not all that feasible based on the system), or lower the demand (or at least accessibility) by increasing prices..
Either those, or rebuilding the housing system.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Hopefully they don't just add wards and actually fix the issue by prioritizing FCs and only allowing one house per account...This would go a long way to fixing the issue and also fixing their crappy servers

Prioritizing FCs would make personal owners who already got a house pretty upset. I don't think this is a solution. One house per account could diminish flippers, but not fix the entire issue. Honestly, if they can't add more wards to meet demand but can increase apartment numbers, this is the only feasable solution at the moment: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...TER-APARTMENTS

Edit: I see a lot of people saying the problem is "cheap" cost of housing, that it should be elevated. I have to stress this is not a solution at all, as only the super rich would be able to afford and they can also buy the entire ward. This doesn't fix the problem at all. Everyone needs equal chance to access basic features like housing. Not everyone is a crafter and, thinking about it, this could also motivate people to buy gil even more. We need less RMT, not the other way around.

[Perogwin]

There is more and more gil on the servers as patches go on, because of the lack of gil sinks.

Only solutions is to bump up the supply (not all that feasible based on the system), or lower the demand (or at least accessibility) by increasing prices..
Either those, or rebuilding the housing system.

Your idea is the exact opposite of almost every other successful MMO housing system.

Maybe on some servers gill is abundant, but on others gill is a struggle because of low populations and everyone just crafting for themselves instead of buying other people crafted stuff. You think its bad now with people pitching a fit, imagine if only a few people could ever have the hope of owning a house.

Rebuilding housing system from ground up so EVERYONE could have a house if they chose to buy one at a reasonable price is the best option if simply adding more wards isn't possible.

[Altena]

Your idea is the exact opposite of almost every other successful MMO housing system.

Maybe on some servers gill is abundant, but on others gill is a struggle because of low populations and everyone just crafting for themselves instead of buying other people crafted stuff. You think its bad now with people pitching a fit, imagine if only a few people could ever have the hope of owning a house.


Rebuilding housing system from ground up so EVERYONE could have a house if they chose to buy one at a reasonable price is the best option if simply adding more wards isn't possible.

You obviously barely even read my post.
I already said that the only alternative to hiking up the price is to rebuild the system...

Nor do you seem to understand a thing about economics 101.
Just because you and your friends don't have an abundance of gil, does not mean that gil is not easily accessible.
The very fact that the wards were sold in minutes on medium-pop servers just shows there is an abundance of gil floating around.
I am on a medium pop server and hold a personal sum of around 60-80 mil, and I am considered on the lower end of "rich".
I have 4 friends that have an excess of 500+ mil on their personal characters, one being in the billions.

Ask anyone that's been playing since the start of 2.0... 100 mil meant a lot more back then. This is mostly due to the lack of gil sinks in the game.

You need to understand how supply / demand works.
If there is higher demand than there is supply, it becomes more valuable.
If the cost of houses reflected true supply/demand curves, I can almost assure you that a Mansion would be sitting somewhere in the hundreds of mil (rather than the chump-change max of 50 that they are now).

Unless the system was overhauled to allow for near-infinite supply or at least substantially increase the number of available houses (such as turning toward instanced housing options) then they will always sell out in minutes.
Alternatively the other option is to reduce demand/accessibility by increasing market cost.

If the supply cannot match the demand, then the market value for the item in question is too cheap, and there will be a large number of people that are standing there with no house with the gil in their pockets.
That is this very case here..

So skyrocket the prices 10-fold to allow market value to reflect the supply & demand. That was the intention with the devaluation of houses over time (if they aren't sold).
They are meant to be overpriced, and devalued until someone is willing to pay for them. It was never intended to be the Hunger Games the moment the servers came up.

If they don't solve the supply problems, then they need to skyrocket the prices to the point that houses aren't being sold immediately and that each plot has a chance to devalue.

Finally my main point here..

Hiking up the price of each plot does not solve the supply.. It solves the demand.
It also allows people who really really really want a certain house, to get one without the element of RNG / praying to the server gods that it lets you online in the first wave of 800-odd people.
It removes the whole bum-rush to the wards the moment the servers come up, because most people can't afford them.
It does not remove the exclusivity of owning a house, because only the rich will be able to afford them.

Please understand supply/demand.. And actually read my post before trying to reply to it.

[Wyvernheart]

haters gonna hate. Haters gonna hate.

[Jas710]

When Yoshi P first announced housing and said he would try not to do what older MMOs did, we gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he knew what he was doing. Now we are here. I think it's obvious to people who want houses the system is a bomb. Yoshi P needs to suck it up, and copy what other MMOs have proven to work better than this complete mess.