SMN 4.1 = Plenty of Mana but Net Dps loss single target :-(

[Karshan]

If the breaks happen within your 20 seconds "subphases", sure thing. When they come mess up with the border between those subs, forcing you to delay, the thing is either you delay, or you don't use a spell for a long time.
I would really like, for exemple, to be able to use my AF if it comes up, while my trance still hasn't been used. Not to use skills during, but to avoid having it up for a whole trance or shorten my trance to use it.

@ Llugen : I totally agree with you, I'm quite happy with the patch even if it didn't fix everything it is a really good way. For the future, I'd rather have it nerfed a bit BUT adressed rotation wise

[Vegituh]

Summoners fantastic now. I'm of the opinion now that most of the people who are still complaining are 3.x SMN mains who won't ever be happy until its exactly like it was in HW.

Also on the whole Bahamut mobility thing, just treat him like BLMs Leylines. If you have to dodge something, fine, but weave your way back to him so you minimize movement. And remember the ABCs, Always Be Casting. That should alleviate any potential dps loss due to Bahamut wanting to be close to his master.

[RydiaFey]

I would really like, for exemple, to be able to use my AF if it comes up, while my trance still hasn't been used. Not to use skills during, but to avoid having it up for a whole trance or shorten my trance to use it.

@ Llugen : I totally agree with you, I'm quite happy with the patch even if it didn't fix everything it is a really good way. For the future, I'd rather have it nerfed a bit BUT adressed rotation wise

100% with you regarding aetherflow and trance. Agreed - I'd also take a pot nerf if it meant a smoother rotation.

[Grimoire-M]

Snip.

SMN has fantastic damage because every job but them got significant potency nerfs in some manner going into SB to compensate for direct hit and button bloat while they didn't single-target wise. It's cause everyone else's numbers got worse that they're in a good spot on that front, but I don't care about their numbers. I care about their design. SE can fix numbers easier than they can fix design at any point, and while this is a step in the right direction, I don't think they should remain this way long term, both numbers, and design wise. I liked that they were the AoE kings in HW too, but I recognize that also needed to change to fix them going forward. All that said, I'm willing to try them out again cause they're finally DF viable.

[popotaro]

By the way, is the SMN opener stillthe same after the 4.1 changes?

[NovaBismarck]

The changes to smn have helped a lot of the issues that we have had. There are still a couple of functional issues, when I'm in a learning phase, such as going in on the new raid I take in RDM. Not all classes have to deal with lockouts, death penalty, and such (got 70 blm, rdm, smn, sam, brd), and smn definitely benefits from fore-knowledge more than others save blm.

I actually like the MP changes. I can use Mana Shift more reliably now. It also helped the death penalty mp issue some but overall the damage loss is a pain. The devotion and DWT ogcd changes are fantastic, makes the class more useful and variable. I think the loss of variability was what I hated so much from 3.0 to 4.0. It was so rigid and structured when 4.0 came out. I felt like if I wanted that sort of rigidity I'd have played blm full time instead. I feel a lot happier now with the 4.1 changes.

[Neela]

By the way, is the SMN opener stillthe same after the 4.1 changes?

Hard to say if u dont tell us which one u are used to : o

[popotaro]

Hard to say if u dont tell us which one u are used to : o

Was using the one in that guide "Eirene Snow's Comprehensive Thoughts on 4.0 SMN"

[GospelVhae]

Was using the one in that guide "Eirene Snow's Comprehensive Thoughts on 4.0 SMN"

The rotation is pretty much the same. If you want to try something out, then search for the pet swap openers

[Neela]

Yeah pretty much what Gospel said the only new thing is to experiment with egi swap to get both buffs of con and radiant ^^