Veteran Reward changes - Big slap in the face for long time vets?

[DevilsDontFly]

You know what's funny? The people complaining about "my glamz is going to be used by every nweb in the game now!1!!1!" are the same ones that complained about how much time it would take to get the Atrope mount with mentor roulette if you did it on a casual 1 roulette a day.

"But 3 years just to get a mount is too much", they said.
"SE shouldn't lock those items under that much time", they said.
"I honestly don't even care about that mount anymore, I don't know if I'll even be playing this game for those 3 more years", they said.

Perspective, my friends. It's all perspective.

[Vasala]

Both the Astrope and the Centurio Tiger should have their requirements cut for the same reason they cut down the Veterens rewards time required. 2000 Mentor Roulettes and the 3000 A and 2000 S kills both are too high a bar for a new player or even an older player in the case of the hunt requirements. The Tiger should never have required that many S and A rank kills since you have a very limited number of S ranks on a randomized approximate 3 day timer and it pits you against other players leading to a very toxic environment. (The other very bad part about hunts is that a high percentage of the people with very high kill count are using a cheat program that lets them know if an S has spawned and from what I have heard it even tells them where it is. No way for a normal player to compete against that.)

[Aster_E]

Both the Astrope and the Centurio Tiger should have their requirements cut for the same reason they cut down the Veterens rewards time required. 2000 Mentor Roulettes and the 3000 A and 2000 S kills both are too high a bar for a new player or even an older player in the case of the hunt requirements. The Tiger should never have required that many S and A rank kills since you have a very limited number of S ranks on a randomized approximate 3 day timer and it pits you against other players leading to a very toxic environment.

Made worse by early pulls and snipers who lead to you missing out on those hunts more often than you honestly should. Yep. I will agree that the bar is a little high on those two mounts, and require lots of time and grinding one or both things with little to no regard to getting burned out on the game by the time you finally reach those achievements.

Mind you, this is coming from a mid-league achievement hunter in this game. I will grind a lot of things beyond the point where the average person will go mad, and I think the bar is a bit high.

[ThunderGodThor]

Both the Astrope and the Centurio Tiger should have their requirements cut for the same reason they cut down the Veterens rewards time required. 2000 Mentor Roulettes and the 3000 A and 2000 S kills both are too high a bar for a new player or even an older player in the case of the hunt requirements. The Tiger should never have required that many S and A rank kills since you have a very limited number of S ranks on a randomized approximate 3 day timer and it pits you against other players leading to a very toxic environment.

Do previous hunts before the mounts were released count towards the mount? If so, the high number makes sense. I see no problem with giving hardcore hunters a reward for their effort.

Regarding the veteran rewards; the glamour will be really common- a Sea of Clouds, so to speak. For about a week, then it'll drop off. If it makes new players sub a bit longer to get the awesome rewards, whatever.

[Aster_E]

Do previous hunts before the mounts were released count towards the mount? If so, the high number makes sense. I see no problem with giving hardcore hunters a reward for their effort.

It's achievement based, so technically yes it counts A and S ranks as far back as 2.3. I guarantee you that a lot of people who have been hunting periodically since 2.3-2.5 aren't even halfway done with the A rank achievements, let alone the S rank ones.

[SirBrighton]

The way the veteran rewards were before, the newest reward was more like a reward for players who've been playing since the beginning.
At least now players can get those rewards without feeling like they missed out big time by not joining the game earlier.

[Krotoan]

I would like some sort of loyalty reward in place.. but maybe just some more golden chocobo feathers for keeping subscriptions concurrent? I can always use more jet black dyes. I think it's cool that newer players will be able to choose the stuff they want instead of "oh.. I guess I gotta wait a year before I can complete this glamour idea I have".

[Vasala]

Do previous hunts before the mounts were released count towards the mount? If so, the high number makes sense. I see no problem with giving hardcore hunters a reward for their effort.

The fact that previous kills count does not make this remotely reasonable. I have all but the leonheart outfit for veteren's rewards and have a grand total of 290 A kills and 299 S kills in 305 days of /playtime on this character. Putting the bar as high as it is does not encourage people to do the content it makes them look at the amount required and despair and not want to even attempt it based on the number of years it would take to complete. In the case of hunts it also means that if you want to make the attempt then you would have to not do other activities than hunting unless you plan to be working on this achievement for 5 or more years.

[GetFoesReqd]

Cant speak for anyone else but I don't feel insulted. If anything, I'm glad to see them fix what was kind of an insane time issue. I am also intrigued by how they may implement achievements, and rewards for the points earned through getting them. Since that is currently how we would be getting old rewards that have been removed, that is also a good way to potentially implement all new ones as well. Add to that the power of choice on what to get or not get and it's pretty much a win all around, as far as I'm concerned.

[Alleo]

Conversely, newer players look at how excessive the latter rewards are and don't feel compelled at all to remain subbed. You'll find this far more probable than veterans caring. I know you've previous said they could have cut the requirements in half but that remains over a two year wait for anyone who started playing now.

Well when I started the game they already had things that needed 720 days to get, yet I never thought about it in a bad way. I was happy which each reward that I got and I was looking forward to getting specific rewards too. So I saw it simply as a long time goal which I could reach somewhere in the future. It was not limited and everyone had the same chance to get it. Yes I also agree that the last few ones are way too much and thus a cut was necessary.

I mean how bad will it be for the newer players, if they see that they probably never will get the hellhound mounts? Or how its nearly impossible to get the tiger one if you start right now? I was posting against the limitation and amount of kills for that too because I feel that people should have a chance to obtain these things. So its not that I dislike that people get stuff faster, it just feels a bit off that they decided to cut it with that huge amount and to take all the other rewards out of it. Yes it does not mean much difference for me but as a veteran I feel a bit sad that we will not have anything that is in a way a thank you for staying with the game for a longer time and at the same time that the newer players will have to use their achievement points for it if they want to get all the items..which can be worse for some imo.

So in the end my biggest kind of frustrations are laying with their decision to just put all the old rewards out of the system thus making it not so fair anymore (you need to get points to get them instead of just getting them for subbing), at the same time decreasing the days in such a huge amount and not giving us who stayed with the game for a time something to look forward too.