Veteran rewards....

[Niwashi]

What it sounds like, to me, is we have to spend our achievement points to get the missing rewards we want. Perhaps some clarity is or was in order.

What remains unclear about that part? It explicitly stated that we SPEND the certificates, and that we can choose which rewards to get for them. You can trade them in for whichever things you want, which seems exactly like what you asked for there.

... and the vet reward system has been turned into campaigns that are timed so as to keep people paying for a sub in the month or three before the next content patch (additionally leaving some vets feeling more jilted than others)

No, they did that before (with the falcon mount), but it sounds like this new system is taking its place. I wouldn't expect any more timed campaigns like that.

In fact, the one thing that does remain unclear is whether the falcon mount is included. They did say that "all items no longer available as veteran rewards can now be obtained through in-game means." And the falcon mount campaign was a type of veteran reward. It was, in fact, SE's first attempt to change the vet rewards program to have shorter timeframes. It seems they've abandoned that idea now, and are going with this achievement certificates version instead.

[Aster_E]

What remains unclear about that part? It explicitly stated that we SPEND the certificates, and that we can choose which rewards to get for them. You can trade them in for whichever things you want, which seems exactly like what you asked for there.

I'm going to let you scroll back up to your own post and look at what you read before this one. Self-contradictions are silly.

[Niwashi]

Self-contradictions are silly.

Exactly.

have the sort of shop be more like "Oh, you've reached this many achievement points. Here, have any of these now-available certificates to trade in for the thing you want."

What it sounds like, to me, is we have to spend our achievement points to get the missing rewards we want.

players will be able to use their achievement points to purchase achievement certificates by speaking with Jonathas... Certificates can then be used to purchase rewards of your choosing.

You get certificates that you can then trade in for the things you want. And that's exactly the way you said you wanted it to work. Where's the confusion in that?

[Aster_E]

Exactly.





You get certificates that you can then trade in for the things you want. And that's exactly the way you said you wanted it to work. Where's the confusion in that?

No, it's not.

What I said I wanted:

"You have achieved a fine status with all of these trophies. Here, have this thing at no cost to you."

The thing it looks like we're getting:

"These are some nice trophies you're getting. Remember that thing you were getting for free anyways in a couple months? It's going to cost you some of those trophies instead."

If anyone here is confused, it's you.

[Niwashi]

What I said I wanted:

"You have achieved a fine status with all of these trophies. Here, have this thing at no cost to you."

The thing it looks like we're getting:

"These are some nice trophies you're getting. Remember that thing you were getting for free anyways in a couple months? It's going to cost you some of those trophies instead."

It's not costing any trophies. This doesn't make any change to those. But besides any direct achievement rewards (like we get now), you'll also be getting certificates based on the number of (up to now useless) points you get for achievements. Then you can take those certificates and get your choice of rewards for them.

I don't know what sort of thresholds we need to meet to earn those certificates, but the basic pattern described in the announcement is exactly what you were asking for.

[Aster_E]

It's not costing any trophies. This doesn't make any change to those. But besides any direct achievement rewards (like we get now), you'll also be getting certificates based on the number of (up to now useless) points you get for achievements. Then you can take those certificates and get your choice of rewards for them.

Then that's not really spending, is it?

[Niwashi]

Then that's not really spending, is it?

It's not spending anything that you can get now, though it's adding something new that you can spend.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

"These are some nice trophies you're getting. Remember that thing you were getting for free anyways in a couple months? It's going to cost you some of those trophies instead."

If anyone here is confused, it's you.

Going to single this out for a brief second, but you do realize that none of what you were getting was free, right? Veteran Rewards were never free and they never will be, they were tied to subscription time which is something you paid for with real money. That means none of what you received as ever free, and did in fact have a monetary value.

[Aster_E]

Going to single this out for a brief second, but you do realize that none of what you were getting was free, right? Veteran Rewards were never free and they never will be, they were tied to subscription time which is something you paid for with real money. That means none of what you received as ever free, and did in fact have a monetary value.

Incorrect. You're paying real money for your subscription, and the Vet Rewards were both a bonus and an incentive at no extra cost. You're not paying for those items with game time applied as a free bonus, nor did the subscription include the items in its pricing or else we would officially be getting gypped the moment patch goes live and the full sub price goes to the sub and sub alone.

It's like if ever ever do business buying from somewhere, and they throw in a bonus item at no cost to you. The only real reason you might be thinking you're paying for that small item you may or may not care for is to justify the pricetag on all that you're actually setting out to buy when, in fact, you're just buying everything but the bonus item.