The Zodiac "Saga" has been a terrible experience for me.... It shouldn't be.

[Wintersandman]

I love the relic quest. It gives me something to do... especially since I will never raid. I will always be behind but I get a sparkly weapon. I am working on my 4th anima weapon still as it gives me something to spend all the tomes I collect on.

Expensive for the relic? Really? Go do some beast tribes to get your materia. Yup more grinding. Yes I am a masochist.

[Grimr]

Although the book part was rather long, the only beef i have is trying to hold on to materia for the 1,2,3,4. It's a lot of materia to hold on to. Granted 4's are easy now but i would either like a vendor or something to purchase 1,2,3. You can't always count on the mb to have them.

[Maero]

Every MMO has some form of grind attached to it though..
Relic has been a pita but hey all of those that complain always end up doing it anyhow

[ManuelBravo]

For relic lovers grinding is common sense. While the Zodiac saga was long it has been capped to the point that has become a joke. Unfortunately some players don't seem to gasp the reality of things. For now they have become more of a glamour , ( I still do them out of boredom or leveling other classes for fun almost done but hurts). IF anything I wish SE can incorporate them some how later on two by pass maybe another step for those of us whoa re just getting them. Just hope people are thankful they aren't like FFXI now that is grind. As for the materia requirements that is one thing airships can help with to an extend, other ones spirit bonding goes by fast with FC buff or even squadron item.

[Lelila38]

Relics are usually long and grindy. And not really worth it until last patch of the expansion, when the customisable stats finally make it BiS.

[Sylvain]

I personally despise it and hope what WoW did with their artefact weapon triggered SE to do better.
The story was simply dull at best and the grinding ranged from ok to horrible.
I don't have much problem with normal grinding but some steps are just a joke.

[Pence]

I personally despise it and hope what WoW did with their artefact weapon triggered SE to do better.
The story was simply dull at best and the grinding ranged from ok to horrible.
I don't have much problem with normal grinding but some steps are just a joke.

Isn't that largely panned by the WoW community?

[Sylvain]

I'm mostly referring to the lore and basic system.
Obviously the whole "u need to farm like a retard every week" isn't what I had in mind.

However I don't know anyone saying the whole lore chain quest to unlock the weapon is trash. Some might be dull at best but I was super pleased with the mage one for instance.
And they did that for every single spec.
I would love for instance having a quest involving the creation of shantoto quest for instance. That'd be so much better than the whole naive spirit thing we had in HW.

[Pence]

I'm mostly referring to the lore and basic system.
Obviously the whole "u need to farm like a retard every week" isn't what I had in mind.

However I don't know anyone saying the whole lore chain quest to unlock the weapon is trash. Some might be dull at best but I was super pleased with the mage one for instance.
And they did that for every single spec.
It would love for instance having a quest involving the creation of shantoto quest for instance. That d be so much better than the whole naive spirit thing we had in HW.

We get job quests instead of weapon lore (which also has a bit of lore, just not much....because it's welfare).

[Sylvain]

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This is very true, the BLM one was really nice ^^
And I wonder if the AST one is a hint to Geomancer as future job