Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Kabooa]

Whoah there buddy - you accuse me of being leet and mention avocados in the same paragraph? Have you seen the price of an avocado?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/09/news...oar/index.html

I only have 4.2 m gill, if avocados were bis how would I ever complete Sastasha?

Look buddy, it's not our job to handhold you or pay for your avocados. You can't afford it, then don't be surprised when we give your table spot to someone else who -can-. We're all here to chow down and we've put our time in, there's no reason you can't as well.

[IgneelBlacksteel]

So I've read this whole thread which at the time is 98 pages and one thing sticks out about it. Whether is anti DPs or pro DPs the thing that sticks out is the zero tolerance towards either. Now I'm in no way a pro and this is only my opinion but this thread is pointless and toxic but at the same time it's not. This is a relevant topic because people feel it is and that's understandable. DPs from a healer can make things easier and smoother, no DPs doesn't really make of break it either. It's also good to debate and get your thoughts out there on the subject too.

The problem and the reason this thread is "toxic" in my opinion is that both sides are trying to some part push their way of thinking as the right way, while the others is the wrong way. What's wrong with both arguments is that neither side wants to be accepting of anything then what they are defending. But when we bought this game and paid the sub we were supposed to accept the fact that everyone is different some will heal and DPs and some won't. The problem is the neither side wants to accept this and thats what makes it toxic.

The thing is at the end of it all people will do what they choose to and that's what what we signed for when playing online with millions. I'm not saying don't discuss what you think is wrong but don't try to enforce you think is right. First and foremost it's a game we all bought it to have fun. Now what That means is unique to each person, some may want to be hardcore some casual and others somewhere between. It's OK to tell someone what you would like but never make it seem like it's manditory. If they never want to DPs or if they do that's how they choose to enjoy their time.

I main a tank and no I'm no where near the best only 51, but I was in a brayflox where the healer and DPs argued for 20+ minutes about why the healer wouldn't DPs. Then was in thousands maw on roulette and another 15+ minute argument on the fact that the healer was dpsing. Problem with both is that no one would accept that the other chooses to play that way but this is what we signed on for when we chose to play with others.

I'm not saying stop the thread or even the debate just that to remember that everyone isn't you and you aren't them. Just because you think its right doesn't Mean it is, and just because you think of it one way doesn't mean all will agree.

[micropanther7]

Fake news pls =(

Sorry for OT, but sadly it's not lol, and I'm from the Uk myself, this is the first I've ever heard of it Toast sandwich, no it's not something you'll find served on the average british table or in your bog standard cafe/restaurant (not down in the south of the Uk anyways, AFAIK).

[Kurando]

Sorry for OT, but sadly it's not lol, and I'm from the Uk myself, this is the first I've ever heard of it Toast sandwich, no it's not something you'll find served on the average british table or in your bog standard cafe/restaurant (not down in the south of the Uk anyways, AFAIK).

I genuinely thought this was fake news, I mean I still don't believe as this is the first I've heard of it (I'm a Brit too). Definitely we don't have it in the North either...

[micropanther7]

I genuinely thought this was fake news, I mean I still don't believe as this is the first I've heard of it (I'm a Brit too). Definitely we don't have it in the North either...

lol thank you for the confirmation, must admit I was curious about that

[Tridus]

I main a tank and no I'm no where near the best only 51, but I was in a brayflox where the healer and DPs argued for 20+ minutes about why the healer wouldn't DPs. Then was in thousands maw on roulette and another 15+ minute argument on the fact that the healer was dpsing. Problem with both is that no one would accept that the other chooses to play that way but this is what we signed on for when we chose to play with others.

Wow. That's depressing. Pretty much the one thing that has agreement here is that it's not something to bicker with people in levelling dungeons over.

The forums are there for discussion. Statics and high end content groups can set expectations and enforce them accordingly. In Brayflox? That may or may not be someone relatively inexperienced. Just focus on your own stuff and if you don't think they did a good job, give your commendation to someone you think is more deserving. But there's absolutely no value in fighting over it at that level.

[Cynfael]

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While I appreciate the positive and accepting tone of your post, the unavoidable fact is that, in a game like this that doesn’t fully function without cooperative play, a “live and let live” philosophy goes only so far; usually about as far as the point at which each player’s “right” to play the game poorly begins to obstruct other players’ desire to accomplish objectives in a somewhat timely manner.

We’ve covered extensively some of the valid reasons why a healer might not DPS, but otherwise yes, it is poor gameplay for a healer to refuse to DPS. I like to think that the main reason for this discussion is that many players truly don’t realize the potential of the healer role and can benefit from some theorycraft or from some non-argumentative prompts in-game.

[Krovoc-The-Destroyer]

Just throwing my two cents in.

As someone who heals and tanks about the same amount of the time (though DRK gets all the best gear) I'm in the ``if you aren't healing, you better be DPS'ing" crowd.

[gumas]

I help dps depend on the situation i guess...

- All good, tank hp didnt drop below 50% = help dps
- all good, but tank train aggro 5+ enemy = focus on heal until mob number drop below 5

Basically i just went with the flow, if everything went well i help as much as i can. I cant do much if i got derp tank/dps.

[MoroMurasaki]

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First off it's quite silly to argue about this sort of thing in a leveling dungeon. If you're arguing it you are almost assuredly coming from the perspective of wanting it because you'd like a faster clear and so arguing (and slowing the run down further) is counterintuative to their primary goal. There is certainly a difference between arguing a point and suggesting helpful advice but as I wasn't there I'll take your statement at face value and assume it is more the former than the latter.


In terms of the toxicity of this thread I don't think that it's logical to deem it toxic purely because both sides of the debate feel like they're correct. I will be the first to say that I am in favor of healers DPSing, healers DPSing are (on average) playing better than healers who don't and I believe that's an objective fact.

I don't think this is the correct stance on this (frankly silly) topic simply because it's how I play, I looked at both sides and can see literally no positive gain from contributing no DPS as a healer. A healer doing no DPS is not supporting their party as well as a healer who does. Healing has a hard cap of "everyone is alive and I am doing mechanics" where the only way to contribute more to the group is to add some damage.

I think any person who disagrees with these basic statements is either not looking at the whole picture or is incapable of rudeimentry critical thought. Neither are really people I want in my party.

I help dps depend on the situation i guess...

- All good, tank hp didnt drop below 50% = help dps
- all good, but tank train aggro 5+ enemy = focus on heal until mob number drop below 5

Basically i just went with the flow, if everything went well i help as much as i can. I cant do much if i got derp tank/dps.

I think this is an absolutely wonderful place to start. One of the amazing things about healers is their AoE DPS though! If you play WHM particularly you can outdps actual dps roles if the pulls are large enough.

It requires a decent tank and a good rotation of CDs and oGCD heals but I would encourage you to try to incorporate things as simple as Swiftcast+Holy -> Aero 3 on WHM, the stun from Holy keeps your tank safe for the duration of the Aero 3 cast and you can always follow up with Terta or Bene if they're low.

At the same time there are certainly tanks and pulls where this mentality is perfectly logical and I certainly do it myself sometimes, I just don't want you to sell yourself short on your AoE potential! :3