Veteran Reward changes - Big slap in the face for long time vets?

[Leowilde]

As a longtime vet, I don't care, really. The rewards are nice, but not my incentive to subscribe. I do that for the game itself.

[Altera]

I have played XIV since patch 1.15b, and kept subscription running nonstop from when they started charging for it in Jan 2012, and I do not care that others gets to enjoy these rewards earlier, as I have had them for a while already.
Plus 1440 days for a Squall costume, is waaaaay to silly anyway imo.
So yeah, not at all feeling as if my support of the game has been diminished as I pay to play the game, everything else is just a bonus and such to enjoy

[Hestzhyen]

Guess I'll get the Squall outfit a few months early. Yay? Sucks to lose the exclusivity but Zidane's outfit was the only one I really cared about anyway. I don't even have to spend all my hoarded achievement points either. So they're still useless for me, unless SE adds more things to spend them on. Which they may now that the "reward" system is based on gameplay instead of sub time that slowly becomes more and more ridiculous as the game gets closer to EoL status.

We probably won't see the end of XIV for a while yet. But as others have said newbies joining now wouldn't be able to get the Squall outfit unless they stayed subbed right up until the end of 2021. The game may well be in it's twilight years at that point.

[Mikki]

I liked the fact that your alts got the rewards too automatically. Sucks that any new alts won't get these rewards anymore.

Not sure if anyone has addressed this yet, but actually new alts will still get the rewards. It says at the bottom of the page explaining the new veteran rewards system:

Newly created characters on the same account will continue to receive any items for which they were eligible prior to the update.

Anyway, I'm torn on this myself. It is kind of cool to have a little something to show for the fact that you've been subbed for a long time. However, I think that the time was quite ridiculous and the items chosen for it were bound to create some issues. I mean, cosplay items for popular ff characters? Of course a lot of people are going to want that and it'll feel pretty bad to have to wait several years just to get them.

I think it was a smart move, even though I'm a bit sad. Someone may really want the Squall set but having to wait 4 years for it...?? Most people who are just starting the game may wonder if they'll even still play it in 4 years. So the incentive to continuing subbing when the reward is so far away is lost. However, if it only takes a year of sub time it feels much more obtainable and therefore people will likely feel more incentive to continue playing. For example, I would really like the title "Honest Gillionaire" but it requires you to get 10 MILLION gil from levequests alone. I've raked in over 300k. If the aim was just 1 million, then I would pursue it. But 10 million??? Possible, but jeez. No thanks. It feels too out of reach. I imagine it must feel the same for those who have to wait 4 years for one glamour that they really want. Luckily for us who have been around, we didn't have to wait that long since we were here already when it was introduced, so consider how you would have felt if you knew the reward was there but had to wait 4 years to get it...? :/

Not to mention the issue which has already been mentioned a lot of how long the game will even survive. Sure, maybe people already playing will be ok. Maybe. But what about those who join at the next expansion? Or later..?

[Alleo]

Reposting my opinions from the other thread:

I would be fine if they had decided to cut the amount of days for the last two outfits in half but to cut them down that much was a bit shocking. Also it seems that the veteran players truly dont have any kind of thank you anymore in the game and even though they dont need to do this, it was still a nice gesture for those that constantly subbed. The new reward structure seems to be that you need to sub a certain amount of days in a certain span of time thus it has nothing to do with veteran players or not. It is nice for the new players that want the costume and the last rewards were are bit much but its also not that great for newer players that dont focus much on achievement points..no matter how often you played the game and how many things you did you would always get all the items after a certain amount of time.

Now (if I understand it right) you will only get the costumes as reward and all the other items need achievement points to get them..seeing how a lot of points are behind boring grindy things I am not really sure if that is so great for newer players. (Only if they set the bar really low for the amount of points needed) They could have simply made a cut to the last two or three rewards and let the rest stay as it was..and do completely new things with the achievement points. Now some newer players might be in a worse situation since they might not play that much different content right now thus dont have much points and thus cant get the items (depending on how much they cost), and us long time players have no real incentive to sub constantly and we also dont get a fantasia or anything like that as a small "sorry for the chance but thanks for subbing".

I mean it does probably save some money for those that sometimes only subbed to get their rewards but isnt that kinda bad for SE? Now with the new model of certain time spans for rewards people might even sub less constantly than before because they simply have no carrot there. (I am not saying that the majority only subbed for them but I am quite sure that some might have decided to not let their sub drop if they did a bit of a break to not lose time for the rewards)

[Vaer]

I mean it does probably save some money for those that sometimes only subbed to get their rewards but isnt that kinda bad for SE? Now with the new model of certain time spans for rewards people might even sub less constantly than before because they simply have no carrot there. (I am not saying that the majority only subbed for them but I am quite sure that some might have decided to not let their sub drop if they did a bit of a break to not lose time for the rewards)

Nah, this is probably a calculated decision. Since the amount of people that have the squall outfit after 4 years is probably so low (I just got mine right before SB launched and I've been subbed since ARR launched) that even if they all just up and quit the amount of money to be made from new players having access to the new stuff was probably calculated to be a gain. They are replacing this with stuff like the falcon campaign which is basically veteran rewards but without needing all the previous stuff. I would not be surprised if there is a new campaign similar to the falcon one when the patch drops next week.

I mean for people who just subbed to get the cool stuff, this benefits them as well since if they don't like the item they can drop their sub and not fall behind like with the old system.

At the end of the day it's just business.

[Bongaboi]

I have only subscribed for about 270-ish days (not sure completely) so I welcome these new outfits coming in now although they will most likely head to my retainers (perhaps in my case, a fourth retainer for clothes assigned to Limsa will be needed on my end) since I have no immediate use for them.

[Vivi_Bushido]

The only thing that bugs me is that my new alts won't have that extra free fantasia anymore when I create them. It's a nice perk to have with level 1 alts you use to socialize with but don't intend to play the game with.

[Felis]

I liked the fact that your alts got the rewards too automatically. Sucks that any new alts won't get these rewards anymore.

Non-gear Vet rewards before the changes will remain registered to the account as bonus items. Only those who buy it with achievement points or quest reward don't get them as account bonus items.

The only thing that bugs me is that my new alts won't have that extra free fantasia anymore when I create them. It's a nice perk to have with level 1 alts you use to socialize with but don't intend to play the game with.

They will still get them. They don't have mentioned that already registered vet rewards will get unregistered from the account. It is just that new characters on an account, that got the first month vet reward before the changes, don't get a free Fantasia from the Ultima quest.

I have only subscribed for about 270-ish days (not sure completely) so I welcome these new outfits coming in now although they will most likely head to my retainers (perhaps in my case, a fourth retainer for clothes assigned to Limsa will be needed on my end) since I have no immediate use for them.

Every vet gear can be stored in the armoire.

[Mikki]

lol, I literally just posted this but here I'll put it again:

Newly created characters on the same account will continue to receive any items for which they were eligible prior to the update.

Quoted from the bottom of the page about the changes. So you'll still get your fantasias, no worries! Perhaps even an extra one if you complete the MSQ on your alt.