New Players Teleporting from Shirogane Housing

[Niwashi]

Why do people keep quoting me to talk about completely different points than I addressed?

I point out a simple factual correction regarding the number of quests needed, and get a reply about maximum teleport costs.

I disagree with just one specific argument about the rest of the FC having money and repeatedly get replies about Return taking care of the returning problem (despite the fact that I'd said myself Return takes care of that problem).

I've never said that getting back from an FC house in Shirogane would be a problem, though I did suggest a free option to get there in the first place would be nice. If after the five times I've said it before it's not clear yet, here it is again: Return takes care of new players' needs to get back to Eorzea after visiting an FC house in Shirogane. Why am I still getting arguments about that when I've never disputed it?

A point was brought up earlier that the FC itself has plenty of gil and that should be able to take care of any teleporting problems for new players. THAT is the point that I've disputed. But that point has nothing to do with the Return skill. It has to do with the difference between an FC having gil and a new player who just joined having access to that gil.

[alimdia]

You're not understanding their point either, no one is talking about gil sitting in the FC chest where the new player has no access to, the point is ask any person who is online for 1k gil to tp out of the house, because people in the FC are bound to have more than 1k gil, if an entire FC can't spare 1k gil for a newbie then it's time to move on to another FC with people who are less cheap about pocket change.

[Zarabeth]

If there are any new people on Leviathan that this becomes an issue for, please feel free to /tell me in game and I will give you enough gil to solve the problem.

[Moomba33]

I don't feel like this is a big deal. I've got a low level alt that hit 30k quickly from the first time Guildhest bonuses and the Challenge Log without ever attempting to make money (they're just at joining a Grand Company in the story). That's plenty to cover a few teleports as you start out the game.
I can't see running out of gil unless they do nothing but teleport to and from the FC house without progressing at all and even if they did that Return and borrowing money from FC friends are still options.

New players can also get 99 aetheryte tickets from the Recruit a Friend Campaign if they sub.

[Chocolys]

As it has already been said, in case of being stuck with no money: /return
It's a 15 min wait only at worst.

Return is free, and teleporting to the FC in Shirogane from an ARR area should cost around 250 gils. And then there is also Favorite Teleports cost reduction, and even Free teleport destination of those with Security Key.

So I don't think it will be an issue. It's just a temporary annoyance for low new level members would will probably not teleport as much to the FC house in their early levels. Fortunatly these low levels go fast.

[TWOxACROSS]

Your worry is about something that has almost non-existent chance of inconveniencing anybody. It's a non-issue. Let this thread die.

It's incredibly astounding to see people like you and others blathering about "lol money gets thrown at you" and "it's not a problem, there's workarounds." For one thing, why such an arrogant push-back? How does this at all affect players like us who have played for years, in a way that it shouldn't be addressed? Why want the issue to die? What's the problem with a service within the game not penalizing new players? What's the problem with a service just working properly for everyone?

Once again, it doesn't matter what workarounds there are to the problem - it's still a problem! Returning simply to be in an area to teleport for less is clunky and time-consuming. Telling people to ask their companions to toss some gil their way is ludicrous. This thread was to bring up a legit concern, it doesn't matter how much money people can make or have, it's that so far they seem to have half a system in place and it digs deep into a new player's pocketbook just for wanting to enjoy the privileges of a company house? Who cares that you have a lot of money, who cares that you can "simply wait fifteen minutes" to use Return - you shouldn't have to.

Like, holy crap. What is this attitude? What is the matter with you people?

[Jijifli]

Like, holy crap. What is this attitude? What is the matter with you people?

The attitude is because you are not listening.

Here. Let's pretend nobody in the fc ever logs in. You have return. Can't get to the house because you're broke from constant teleport? Boo hoo, player's gonna have to learn there's a payment for being able to teleport across a world. This isn't like other games (Looking at you Skyrim) that gives you a world and just says, "Teleport without any costs." You can't just baby every little thing a new player looks at.

And honestly, if a new player manages to spend every gil they have that early, they are horrible at money management. It's not a secret that in the first ten levels everything can seem expensive. That is the point of it. Why don't we make vendor gear free? Why don't we make ship rides free? Why not make mats free so the poor newbie can make his sword? Clearly players needing to learn money is terrible, right?

[TWOxACROSS]

The attitude is because you are not listening.

I am totally listening, it's just that everyone's useless conjecture and anecdotal garbage doesn't fix the problem that, at this point, very clearly exists. If anyone isn't listening, it's you, who waves away the concern simply because it was never a problem for you.

Calling it a non-issue or telling people to just do this or that is ludicrous. All of the proposed workarounds don't address the core of the actual problem. If Square was the one telling people this kind of junk in regards to a concern, people would be understandably annoyed. Look at when they took away Sustain, and said that summoners shouldn't need it. After all, you can just re-summon if the egi dies, and you have Ethers, Aetherflow, and Lucid Dreaming to keep your MP up, so whaaaaat's the prooooblem~? It's a non-issue right? Just because there are workarounds doesn't make it a non-issue, not if those solutions are not ideal. So again, what the heck is the problem with actually fixing that problem so people don't have to suffer with a less-than-stellar solution? Other than some veteran player thinking that newbies have it too easy and why back in the day Titan Hard Mode weeded out the bads and SKIP SOAR *grumble grumble* DPS LOSS *snore*

You can't just baby every little thing a new player looks at.

And there's more of the arrogant attitude. I never said anything about doing something to baby a new player, I just wanted to bring attention to the fact they a new player with an FC house in Shirogane is going to be at a disadvantage for a couple reasons that should probably be looked into. Heaven forfend the game doesn't screw new players over, either taking their hard-earned gil or making them shy away from the house and its amenities until they hit a higher level.

[Maleficent]

I think the OP is just an extremely considerate person. I had a friend once who, thinking about left-handed folks, asked for subway gates to have some gates with left-side slots for the tickets after observing the occasional momentary confusion when a left-hander instinctively slotted the fare card on the left side and the gate on the left opened. Practical constraints notwithstanding, the thoughtfulness is endearing.

To OP, TWOXACROSS, it's certainly something for the QoL list. In the interim, we can consider having some faith that the community (FC) and perhaps humanity can overcome minor annoyances and help each other and / or adapt

[TWOxACROSS]

To OP, TWOXACROSS, it's certainly something for the QoL list. In the interim, we can consider having some faith that the community (FC) and perhaps humanity can overcome minor annoyances and help each other and / or adapt

Thanks. Yeah, there's things we can do in the meantime, as is the workarounds people have mentioned, but ideally that shouldn't be the solution. Hopefully Square has thought about this, and just hasn't bothered to mention it because it's not as exciting as the other new features. I could see them having a ferry that takes people back to Limsa Lominsa for a negligible fee (as most ferries have), because at least it gets them back to Eorzea without any sort of expense or time-related constraints.